(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[900]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
DT[2007-02-04]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[robau [6k\]: hello
grumpfl [6k\]: hi
pel [3k\]: howdy
johnny2bad [1d\]: hello
mAtom: hello
Grindel [9k\]: Sensi
mariosbank [5k\]: hi
au2 [1d\]: Hello
croquis: kewl
Providence [-\]: yo
pugh [7k\]: hello
Grindel [9k\]: yello 
icebucket [9k\]: Hello. we are here. too :)
krakengo [1k\]: nihao !
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Mingjiu
Grindel [9k\]: hellow 
Eranorn [7k\]: hi
Grindel [9k\]: okay homweork 
]
(;B[rp]
;W[rq]
;B[qo]
;W[ro]
;B[po]
;W[rn]C[kirisute [-\]: must be 30 kyu players..
]
;B[pp]
;W[qq]
;B[pq]
;W[qn]
;B[pn]
;W[pm]
;B[pr]
;W[ql]
;B[oq]
;W[or]
;B[nr]
;W[nq]C[butterfork: this is different homework?
Grindel [9k\]: with the other tools 
Plunder [4k\]: you probably used edit tool to place that move =(
]
(;AW[on][no][mq][mr]AB[rr]C[Scribe [-\]: Homework
Scribe [-\]: Black to play
Scribe [-\]: From last week
butterfork: I must have missed last week!
Eranorn [7k\]: huh...
Eranorn [7k\]: me too
Grindel [9k\]: this was homework form last week ?
Plunder [4k\]: I recognize it neighter
mariosbank [5k\]: r2?
krakengo [1k\]: come on guys let's solve it =p
Grindel [9k\]: s3 
ruger [6k\]: S2
Eranorn [7k\]: ok
yithril [1k\]: s2
butterfork: this is wrong homework  :-)
Grindel [9k\]: yeah s22 
pugh [7k\]: t3
bakshi [3k\]: t3
Eranorn [7k\]: but i worked on another homework...
Plunder [4k\]: aye, wrong homework I think
Eranorn [7k\]: and wanna know the solution ;)
icebucket [9k\]: Hmm... I think this is not the homework from last week.
Grindel [9k\]: life 
krakengo [1k\]: he can make 2 eyes
MRei [1d\]: life
skywalker [3k?\]: yes
yithril [1k\]: live
skywalker [3k?\]: live
pugh [7k\]: live
yithril [1k\]: s2
skywalker [3k?\]: s2
Grindel [9k\]: i like it 
pinpingho [-\]: no
pugh [7k\]: no
jingaya [2k\]: t4?
Denniskutl [2k\]: no
mariosbank [5k\]: no
mariosbank [5k\]: r2
]
;B[]C[Grindel [9k\]: got to move 19 
]
(;W[ns]C[Scribe [-\]: lived
]
;B[sq]C[Denniskutl [2k\]: t2
])
(;W[sp]
;B[qr]C[Grindel [9k\]: you have to delete the s2 stone with the edit tools 
mAtom: lol
]
;W[ns]C[Inachan [1k\]: t2
Providence [-\]: ^
skywalker [3k?\]: r4
Scribe [-\]: died
]))
(;AW[on][no][mq][mr]C[mariosbank [5k\]: r2
Scribe [-\]: r2 refuted 
mariosbank [5k\]: p1 now
bakshi [3k\]: t3
Scribe [-\]: dead again
]
(;B[rr])
(;B[qr]
;W[rr])
(;B[os]C[pugh [7k\]: t3
pinpingho [-\]: T4
]
;W[qr]C[Grindel [9k\]: no 
])
(;B[sq]
(;W[qp]
;B[rr]
;W[sp]
;B[qr]C[mariosbank [5k\]: p1 after r2
]
;W[sr]
;B[os]C[Grindel [9k\]: yes that it 
Scribe [-\]: two eyes
])
(;W[sr]C[Providence [-\]: :o
derPlumps [6k\]: t4 
]))
(;B[sp]C[kirisute [-\]: instead of white r2, white s2
]
(;W[qp]C[Scribe [-\]: key move
]
;B[rr]
;W[sq]
;B[qr]TR[qr][rr]
;W[so]
;B[os])
(;W[ns]C[Scribe [-\]: key is that black must find a way to get both r2 and s2 moves
Grindel [9k\]: s2 
]
;B[rr]
;W[qr]C[Grindel [9k\]: r1
mariosbank [5k\]: ko
]
(;B[qs]C[derPlumps [6k\]: ko?
croquis: ko
krakengo [1k\]: oops
icebucket [9k\]: no
]
;W[ps])
(;B[ps]C[butterfork: we are easy to trick :)
pugh [7k\]: w t2?
]
;W[sr]
;B[rs]
;W[qp]C[Scribe [-\]: lived
]
;B[qs]))
(;W[qr]C[erikk [-\]: t2
]
(;B[qp]
;W[ns]
;B[ps]LB[qp:B][rr:A]C[derPlumps [6k\]: no ont know
derPlumps [6k\]: +d
Templar [5k?\]: not really
Grindel [9k\]: alive 
geng [1d\]: it's dead
mariosbank [5k\]: white  s2
geng [1d\]: white plays A
nitram1 [1k\]: dead
Scribe [-\]: seki
geng [1d\]: ahh not dead
krakengo [1k\]: but still alive :)
Grindel [9k\]: yes 
]
(;W[rr]
;B[rs]
;W[sr]
;B[qs]C[Grindel [9k\]: ahh 
Grindel [9k\]: fat 5 
])
(;W[rs]
;B[sr]
;W[rr]
;B[sq]))
(;B[sr]C[Grindel [9k\]: q1 ??
Grindel [9k\]: nvm 
TotoroShan [1k\]: no, it'sok
Grindel [9k\]: no qwestions 
grumpfl [6k\]: no
stupid [5k\]: no questions
kirisute [-\]: white s2 instead of r2?
mAtom: no, thx
Grindel [9k\]: yeay 
]
(;W[ns]C[Grindel [9k\]: t2 ahh 
]
;B[ps]C[mariosbank [5k\]: ko
]
(;W[rs]
;B[rr]C[geng [1d\]: no
])
(;W[rr]
;B[rs]))
(;W[rr]C[Grindel [9k\]: s2 after black t2 
]
;B[rs]
;W[qs]C[kirisute [-\]: back a few moves
mariosbank [5k\]: r1
]
;B[ps]C[Grindel [9k\]: inplace of r2 
])
(;W[rs]C[TotoroShan [1k\]: instead of playing r2, play s2
]
;B[rr]C[kirisute [-\]: no..
derPlumps [6k\]: before
Grindel [9k\]: oh before then 
])))
(;W[rr]C[kirisute [-\]: now
]
;B[qp]
;W[ns]C[Grindel [9k\]: yes 
kirisute [-\]: seki?
]
;B[qr]C[kirisute [-\]: ok
Grindel [9k\]: new joseki 
]
;W[ps]C[Grindel [9k\]: no 
TotoroShan [1k\]: no
]
;B[rs]))))
(;B[pd]
;W[dc]
;B[pq]
;W[dq]
;B[do]
;W[cm]
;B[cq]C[derPlumps [6k\]: bad shape
]
(;W[cp]
;B[dp]C[kirisute [-\]: c5
mariosbank [5k\]: c2?
Grindel [9k\]: no i don't know it 
silver2k4 [1d?\]: yes
mariosbank [5k\]: c6
Inachan [1k\]: c6
krakengo [1k\]: yes
kalia [2k\]: one move back
]
(;W[co])
(;W[bq]
;B[cr]C[Plunder [4k\]: it's a fun joseki =)
Darg [1k\]: we do?
]
(;W[eq]
;B[bp]
;W[co]
(;B[cn]
;W[bo]
;B[bn]
;W[ap]
;B[dm]
;W[br]
(;B[ce]
;W[po]
;B[qo]C[Scribe [-\]: white has to fix black got sente
])
(;B[de]C[pugh [7k\]: no
]
;W[ce]
;B[cf]
;W[cd]
;B[dg]
;W[fc]LB[fc:B][eq:A]C[Grindel [9k\]: b 
icebucket [9k\]: A
Darg [1k\]: B
Scribe [-\]: compare top and bottom on left
Jadeite [-\]: B
Scribe [-\]: top joseki
mariosbank [5k\]: b
]
;B[bf]
;W[be]
;B[dd]
;W[cc]
;B[]
;W[cg]C[Grindel [9k\]: humm 
mariosbank [5k\]: ?
Denniskutl [2k\]: :)
Grindel [9k\]: i can't see that well 
]))
(;B[bo]
;W[cn]
;B[br]
;W[en]C[Scribe [-\]: white is happy
]))
(;W[dr]
;B[bp]
;W[co]
;B[cn]
;W[bo]
;B[bn]C[Scribe [-\]: easy for black to enclose white
]
;W[ap]
;B[dm]LB[eq:A]))
(;W[cr]C[pinpingho [-\]: yes
Darg [1k\]: yes
croquis: yes
derPlumps [6k\]: no
Scribe [-\]: c5 joseki
silver2k4 [1d?\]: no
mariosbank [5k\]: no
onemove [1k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: b3 trick move
Scribe [-\]: c2 today's study
derPlumps [6k\]: :D
kalia [2k\]: ok
icebucket [9k\]: It's a different joseki
geng [1d\]: so would white play that way if he has supporting stone?
]
(;B[co]C[Grindel [9k\]: c5 
]
;W[bq]
;B[bp]C[kirisute [-\]: no
]
(;W[cq]C[pinpingho [-\]: for w
]
;B[fp]
;W[eq]
;B[fn]LB[cm:A]C[icebucket [9k\]: White slow
DonValley [5k\]: good for black
Vanya [3k\]: no
kirisute [-\]: white sente
Scribe [-\]: result favors black
LaSarten [4k\]: back has great shape
LaSarten [4k\]: black*
Scribe [-\]: white sente but c7 stone is damaged grealty
kalia [2k\]: ewww
])
(;W[eq]C[Korrigank [5k\]: don't give ponnuki
icebucket [9k\]: "(
LaSarten [4k\]: lol
]
;B[cq]C[icebucket [9k\]: <.>  I blinked at my breafast and missed it.
]
;W[gp]C[LaSarten [4k\]: looks better
icebucket [9k\]: White better
DonValley [5k\]: black c9
Scribe [-\]: white is favord
]
;B[ce]
;W[cg]
;B[cc]
;W[cb]
;B[dd]
;W[ec]
(;B[bc]
;W[hc])
(;B[de]
;W[bc]
;B[bd]C[DonValley [5k\]: no
]
;W[gd]C[LaSarten [4k\]: lol
geng [1d\]: ahh\]
Denniskutl [2k\]: nice reasoning :)
DonValley [5k\]: lol
LaSarten [4k\]: that's funny
Providence [-\]: 0_0
])))
(;B[bq]C[kalia [2k\]: nope
derPlumps [6k\]: earlier
icebucket [9k\]: Black has choice of direction
kalia [2k\]: d4 instead of c4
pugh [7k\]: no
onemove [1k\]: no
krakengo [1k\]: clear
LaSarten [4k\]: yes
pugh [7k\]: yes
kalia [2k\]: yes
Violence [?\]: Clear
Grindel [9k\]: yes better anyways 
Cutrone [5k\]: i have to study it
nicat [3k\]: e3 is not possible?
]
(;W[bp]
;B[br]
;W[cn]C[Scribe [-\]: white's los
]
;B[eq])
(;W[co]
;B[cn]
;W[bn]
;B[dn]
;W[bp]
(;B[eq]
;W[dr]
;B[dm]
;W[cl]
(;B[dl])
(;B[er]
;W[br]
;B[jq]LB[bq:A][br:B]C[DonValley [5k\]: thick
LaSarten [4k\]: black gets good influence
kalia [2k\]: too good for b
icebucket [9k\]: ouch. 
LaSarten [4k\]: nice corner but better for black
skywalker [3k?\]: b
kirisute [-\]: good for w
Grindel [9k\]: white 
pugh [7k\]: b
icebucket [9k\]: favors black moyo
DonValley [5k\]: black is good here
Sponge7 [6k\]: I prefer b
Scribe [-\]: White is favored !
]
;W[]C[kalia [2k\]: could have been ko threat
]
;B[de]
;W[cg]
;B[cc]
;W[cd]
;B[dd]
;W[ce]
;B[cf]
;W[bf]
;B[ec]
;W[db]
;B[df]
;W[bd]
;B[dg]
;W[ch]
;B[eb]
;W[cb]
;B[jc]C[kirisute [-\]: d1 is smaller for b
]
;W[]LB[ea:A]TR[ga][ha][ia][gb][hb][ib]C[nitram1 [1k\]: e19 sente
krakengo [1k\]: yes
Grindel [9k\]: b18
jingaya [2k\]: b18
pinpingho [-\]: B18
Vanya [3k\]: yes
Vanya [3k\]: e19 sente
]
(;B[bc]C[DonValley [5k\]: joseki
]
;W[bb]C[Denniskutl [2k\]: no
kalia [2k\]: no
])
(;B[]
;W[ea]
;B[fa]
;W[da]
;B[gb])
(;B[bb]C[krakengo [1k\]: at B18
LaSarten [4k\]: ya
]
(;W[ba]LB[ea:A]C[Jadeite [-\]: b18 yose tesuji
])
(;W[bc]
;B[ca]
(;W[da]
;B[ea])
(;W[ab]LB[ea:A][fa:B]C[kalia [2k\]: :)
icebucket [9k\]: 2 pnts?
Scribe [-\]: white loses the endgame move at e19
kalia [2k\]: yes
derPlumps [6k\]: yes
DonValley [5k\]: b at A
LaSarten [4k\]: very clear
Scribe [-\]: 2 points
icebucket [9k\]: :)
Grindel [9k\]: \]:) 
icebucket [9k\]: too  many games lost with 1.5
DonValley [5k\]: :)
icebucket [9k\]: <.<
])))))
(;B[ap]
;W[bo]
;B[dr]
;W[eq]
;B[br]
;W[er]
;B[dm]C[derPlumps [6k\]: bad
]
;W[cl]
;B[cs]C[derPlumps [6k\]: weak group
DonValley [5k\]: w
Grindel [9k\]: black 
pugh [7k\]: b
icebucket [9k\]: white seems to be supressed
derPlumps [6k\]: w
skywalker [3k?\]: b
croquis: dunno
kalia [2k\]: seems like a fight
bakshi [3k\]: W
icebucket [9k\]: Depends on White's next move.
nicat [3k\]: wh
mAtom: w
Jadeite [-\]: hmmm
geng [1d\]: i think balck is fine
kalia [2k\]: d5 a bit better but both have no eyes
icebucket [9k\]: White got sente now. So depends
nitram1 [1k\]: equal..
Jadeite [-\]: B looks better
DonValley [5k\]: w can f7
Grindel [9k\]: yes 
]
(;W[jp]C[Korrigank [5k\]: B since he can use right side to attack and make points
])
(;W[cf])
(;W[hq]
;B[dl]
;W[ck]
;B[ej]
;W[di]
;B[ei]
;W[dh]
;B[jq]C[kalia [2k\]: b
DonValley [5k\]: b
icebucket [9k\]: Black. Woo hooo
LaSarten [4k\]: black
kalia [2k\]: :)
])
(;W[dl]C[icebucket [9k\]: This seems the strongest white resonds.  But black has better future
]
;B[fm]
;W[hq]
;B[el]LB[jq:A]C[Scribe [-\]: hard for white to attack the black position
Scribe [-\]: easy for black to attack at k3
]))
(;B[dm]
;W[cl]
;B[eq]
;W[dr]
;B[er]
;W[br]
;B[jq])
(;B[dr]
;W[eq]
;B[ap]
;W[bo]
;B[br]
(;W[er]
;B[dm]
;W[cl]
;B[cs]LB[dc:B][pq:A]C[Korrigank [5k\]: would change with a white stone at Q3 though
DonValley [5k\]: w f7?
LaSarten [4k\]: only change if white k 4
kalia [2k\]: can you please show  what happens if  white played d4 instead of c4 in this joseki ??
]
;W[jp])
(;W[dm]
;B[er]C[Scribe [-\]: better for black to live in corner first
])))
(;W[eq]C[LaSarten [4k\]: hi
geng [1d\]: so b2?
kirisute [-\]: b4?
pinpingho [-\]: B4
mAtom: b4
nitram1 [1k\]: c6
icebucket [9k\]: D6?
mAtom: b5
geng [1d\]: f4
cnrc [5d\]: c6 
]
(;B[co]
;W[br]
;B[bp]
;W[gp]LB[bn:A]C[icebucket [9k\]: :(
Violence [?\]: no
derPlumps [6k\]: no
Jadeite [-\]: bottom left too good for White
]
;B[ce]
;W[cg]C[geng [1d\]: no
]
;B[cc]
;W[cb]
;B[dd]
;W[ec]C[Vanya [3k\]: overconcentrated
]
;B[bc]
;W[gd]C[icebucket [9k\]: black so capped.
derPlumps [6k\]: d15 :D
]
;B[bd]C[kalia [2k\]: hmmm
]
;W[bb]LB[bb:C][bd:D][cd:A][de:B]C[icebucket [9k\]: lol
Grindel [9k\]: d14
Violence [?\]: yes
geng [1d\]: well white plays into c16 :)
Violence [?\]: Good for white
Grindel [9k\]: yes this is totally not good for black 
geng [1d\]: it's c for b and a for d
])
(;B[br]C[icebucket [9k\]: D6
]
;W[co]C[onemove [1k\]: c6 
icebucket [9k\]: return
derPlumps [6k\]: ah okay
Grindel [9k\]: C5??
Vanya [3k\]: tenuki??
]
(;B[cn]
;W[dn]C[LaSarten [4k\]: no
]
;B[bn]C[derPlumps [6k\]: the same?
kalia [2k\]: no
])
(;B[dr]
;W[er]C[kalia [2k\]: two weak groups
]
;B[cs]
;W[dn]C[Blackstorm [3k\]: tobi for black
Blackstorm [3k\]: nobi
icebucket [9k\]: ladder good
]
;B[fp]
;W[gq]C[derPlumps [6k\]: ???
]))
(;B[bo]
;W[br]C[Jadeite [-\]: no
Blackstorm [3k\]: no
icebucket [9k\]: nope
Grindel [9k\]: better 
])
(;B[bp]C[Grindel [9k\]: b6
]
;W[bn]C[Vanya [3k\]: b6 ?
]
;B[co]C[stupid [5k\]: B6
Blackstorm [3k\]: no
derPlumps [6k\]: haha
Grindel [9k\]: not really 
])
(;B[bn]C[Violence [?\]: that's a cool move
DonValley [5k\]: b6 best
]
(;W[br]
;B[bp]C[krakengo [1k\]: good shape
onemove [1k\]: We3 Bc6
Blackstorm [3k\]: much better
geng [1d\]: the large net
])
(;W[bp]C[Violence [?\]: Wow
]
;B[br]))
(;B[cn]C[Jadeite [-\]: game
]
;W[br]
(;B[bp]LB[bn:A]C[onemove [1k\]: no
Jadeite [-\]: bad shape for B
]
;W[bn]C[kalia [2k\]: :)
]
(;B[bo]C[Jadeite [-\]: eww
]
;W[dn])
(;B[dm]C[kalia [2k\]: hehe
kalia [2k\]: w gets free moves
]
(;W[cl]
;B[bo]C[Grindel [9k\]: owch 
])
(;W[bo]
;B[bm]
;W[cl]C[Blackstorm [3k\]: ladder
]
;B[bl]
(;W[co]
;B[dn]
;W[aq])
(;W[bk]
;B[ck]
;W[dl]
;B[bj]
;W[co]
;B[dn]
;W[aq]C[krakengo [1k\]: nice
Blackstorm [3k\]: not more :)
]))))
(;B[dm]C[Grindel [9k\]: b6 looks key 
]
;W[bp]
;B[cj]))))))
(;W[dp]C[kalia [2k\]: ya
LaSarten [4k\]: ouch
]))
(;B[qp]
;W[rq]
;B[pq]
;W[ro]
;B[rp]
;W[sp]
;B[qo]
;W[qn]
;B[pn]
;W[qm]
;B[pm]
;W[rm]
;B[ql]
;W[sm]
;B[rl]
;W[po]
;B[pl]
;AB[oo][lq][nq][mr]C[Shinichi56 [3k\]: ?
kalia [2k\]: easy
derPlumps [6k\]: ???
Scribe [-\]: Homework !
Cutrone [5k\]: black to play?
Violence [?\]: How many ways?
derPlumps [6k\]: some stones missing?
geng [1d\]: ha
Violence [?\]: Haha
kalia [2k\]: hehe
DonValley [5k\]: ko or liofe?
kalia [2k\]: i like your rules
icebucket [9k\]: Good incentive.
geng [1d\]: to kill i think
Violence [?\]: Is this how many ways?
silver2k4 [1d?\]: bye
Providence [-\]: I'd be pretty muscular =P
Denniskutl [2k\]: 10 what?
au2 [1d\]: Thank you for the lecture
krakengo [1k\]: thank you
kalia [2k\]: thanks mingjiu
Violence [?\]: Thanks
MRei [1d\]: thanks
geng [1d\]: thanks!
skywalker [3k?\]: thanks
derPlumps [6k\]: thank you
Winters [4k\]: thanks
Grindel [9k\]: thank you 
icebucket [9k\]: Thank ING's foundation & MingJiu
au2 [1d\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
pel [3k\]: mistakes should hurt :)
Shinichi56 [3k\]: thanks
Providence [-\]: ty =)
kalia [2k\]: bye
MRei [1d\]: bye
jingaya [2k\]: thank you for this lecture! bye bye
LaSarten [4k\]: thank you
Cutrone [5k\]: thhanks
pel [3k\]: thanks
Grindel [9k\]: and thanks ing 
Jadeite [-\]: thanks Mingjiu & Ing foundation
DonValley [5k\]: thx
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu
DonValley [5k\]: bye
au2 [1d\]: Thanks Scribe
pugh [7k\]: thank you mingjui
butterfork: thanks for lesson - byebye
mAtom: thx
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
derPlumps [6k\]: why so many black stones here?
Violence [?\]: for aji?
au2 [1d\]: good luck in your match today
Cutrone [5k\]: i want to bet on superbowl
]))