(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[900]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
DT[2007-01-28]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
(;B[sr]
;W[rr]
;B[rq]
;W[qq]
;B[rp]
;W[qp]
;B[ro]
;W[qo]
;B[qn]
;W[po]
;B[pn]
;W[pq]
;B[on]
;W[op]
;B[nn]
;W[oq]
;B[np]
;W[nr]
;B[nq]
;AB[lq][mr]C[Grindel [9k\]: homework 
Assu [2d\]: b to kill?
sajmon [2k\]: w to live I guess :P
Providence [-\]: yes
Grindel [9k\]: yes 
etl3 [?\]: hello
gomasch [2d\]: y
hirolau [6k\]: yes
bimsbrom [7k\]: yes
Assu [2d\]: hello yes ;D
Plunder [4k\]: aye =D
grumpfl [6k\]: hi, sound excellent
Grindel [9k\]: hello 
Calinos [5k\]: hello!
seidelin [2k\]: we are here
YohAsakura [15k\]: hello!
Plunder [4k\]: yes
Assu [2d\]: in 3 sec now :)
ruger [6k\]: Q1
Grindel [9k\]: Q1 
Plunder [4k\]: O1 =)
Plunder [4k\]: w dead
Grindel [9k\]: black kills 
tablescrap [?\]: w can live
ljl [2k\]: b kills
JiT [6k\]: w dead by Q1
Assu [2d\]: o1
Assu [2d\]: ah no
Assu [2d\]: ko only
etl3 [?\]: Q1?
MysticoN [1d\]: I get ko
jalapeno [7k\]: still no sound
Plunder [4k\]: I got dead 
sajmon [2k\]: q1 
sajmon [2k\]: ops
sajmon [2k\]: :P
sajmon [2k\]: I'm so slow
pugh [7k\]: q2 
Providence [-\]: ^
seidelin [2k\]: black kills white
sajmon [2k\]: ^^
Assu [2d\]: just our heads are slow ;)
etl3 [?\]: Black kills white
etl3 [?\]: Q1
Plunder [4k\]: O1
pugh [7k\]: q2
JiT [6k\]: Q1
nitram1 [1k\]: q1
seidelin [2k\]: R1
]
(;W[sq])
(;W[]C[jalapeno [7k\]: jingjiu try few more time , to connect again , it appear work for 1/4 second every know and then  ,just keep tryying
Reiter [1k\]: q1 ?
Assu [2d\]: o1 ;)
Plunder [4k\]: yes
Reiter [1k\]: q1 
Assu [2d\]: hmm
Repacse [3k\]: s1 
Assu [2d\]: still counting variations
ljl [2k\]: q1 wko
Plunder [4k\]: O1 still right?
Plunder [4k\]: O.o
etl3 [?\]: q1 doesn't work, he already went over it
Jadeite [-\]: we have done Q1 Reiter
Reiter [1k\]: ok
]
(;B[pr]C[sajmon [2k\]: o1 
sajmon [2k\]: :P
]
;W[or]C[etl3 [?\]: p2
]
;B[qr]
;W[rs]C[etl3 [?\]: yep
Assu [2d\]: haha
Javaness [1d\]: oh no
Shinichi56 [3k\]: :)
MysticoN [1d\]: :-)
])
(;B[ps]C[seidelin [2k\]: r1
gomasch [2d\]: p1
coffeepot: q2
]
(;W[os]C[pugh [7k\]: Q2 better
]
;B[qr]
;W[rs])
(;W[qs]C[sajmon [2k\]: hihiii
]
;B[ns]C[etl3 [?\]: oh
]))
(;B[qs]C[ljl [2k\]: q2
]
(;W[rs]C[MysticoN [1d\]: w will respond p1  :P
]
;B[qr]
;W[pr]
;B[ss])
(;W[os]C[Assu [2d\]: w alive
]
(;B[qr]C[seidelin [2k\]: p2
etl3 [?\]: Black plays N1/
]
;W[pr])
(;B[rs]
;W[qr]
;B[ms]
(;W[ps]
;B[or]C[Assu [2d\]: miai
]
;W[ss]C[etl3 [?\]: oh.
])
(;W[or]))))
(;B[or]
;W[pr]C[Plunder [4k\]: me to
]
;B[ns]C[Shinichi56 [3k\]: ko?
Assu [2d\]: I know the answer
])
(;B[ns]C[Javaness [1d\]: what's this O1
Assu [2d\]: p1
sajmon [2k\]: yes
sajmon [2k\]: kills
jjermann [6k\]: q1 is no ko, is alive
Grindel [9k\]: p1
Assu [2d\]: ko
Javaness [1d\]: R1
Grindel [9k\]: nmo 
Reiter [1k\]: q2 
MysticoN [1d\]: r1 
Assu [2d\]: nope
Reiter [1k\]: double ko
skamus [13k\]: how about r2 
]
(;W[qs]C[skamus [13k\]: ?
Javaness [1d\]: oh oh
Assu [2d\]: q1 ;)
]
;B[ps]C[Plunder [4k\]: !
sajmon [2k\]: q1 
Plunder [4k\]: Q1
Assu [2d\]: what about if w p1 instead of r1
]
;W[sq]C[jantiff [-\]: good
etl3 [?\]: now ko
Plunder [4k\]: T1
Javaness [1d\]: take
Assu [2d\]: t1
Jadeite [-\]: lol
Grindel [9k\]: oops
jantiff [-\]: tesuji :)
]
;B[ss]C[etl3 [?\]: ooh, T1
MysticoN [1d\]: ah
Javaness [1d\]: o_O
Providence [-\]: ooo
skamus [13k\]: nice
])
(;W[ps]C[Javaness [1d\]: S1
nitram1 [1k\]: s1
skamus [13k\]: r2 
Assu [2d\]: s1
]
(;B[rs]C[jantiff [-\]: there is death in the hane, never forget
])
(;B[or]
;W[pr]
;B[rs]C[Reiter [1k\]: ko
]
;W[qs]C[Conch [6k\]: ko
]))
(;W[pr]C[Reiter [1k\]: ?
]
;B[ps]
;W[qs]C[Assu [2d\]: w p1 as 1st answer
]
;B[os]
;W[sq]
;B[ss]C[Assu [2d\]: O1 ---> p1
nitram1 [1k\]: if w answers p1?
])
(;W[os]
;B[or]
;W[pr]
;B[ps]C[Reiter [1k\]: same
]
;W[qs]
;B[os]
;W[sq]C[Assu [2d\]: ah lol :D
]
;B[ss]C[Reiter [1k\]: for what rank is this problem?
Jadeite [-\]: ready
Assu [2d\]: solved ;)
Reiter [1k\]: ok
sajmon [2k\]: this is no problem anymore
etl3 [?\]: wow
Plunder [4k\]: how long would it take you to solve a problem like this when it appears in a game? =)
Grindel [9k\]: game 
egemen [-\]: game pls:)
Assu [2d\]: 30 seconds
Grindel [9k\]: yeay 
]))))
(;B[pd]
;W[dq]
;B[cd]
;W[qp]
;B[do]
;W[co]C[Grindel [9k\]: who's playing ??
]
;B[cn]
;W[cp]C[Reiter [1k\]: no one
]
(;B[dn]C[etl3 [?\]: Chinese^
]
;W[fq]C[Reiter [1k\]: i tghink
Yu [1k\]: A for sure
]
(;B[dj]C[Providence [-\]: ghost stones? =\\
Reiter [1k\]: tgunk
sajmon [2k\]: mingjiu is playing himself
Javaness [1d\]: 4d and 5d students
Grindel [9k\]: another joseki 
]
(;W[ed]LB[gc:D][gd:A][hd:B][id:C]C[sajmon [2k\]: to close
jalapeno [7k\]: i really want to know which right move is correct in this one
Grindel [9k\]: 3 
Scribe [-\]: better to pincer the white stone
Reiter [1k\]: e15!!!!!!!!!!
Grindel [9k\]: a 
Grindel [9k\]: A 
nitram1 [1k\]: B
Reiter [1k\]: try it
maltar [4k\]: D
ljl [2k\]: b
Assu [2d\]: b
etl3 [?\]: I like B
Javaness [1d\]: A
ruger [6k\]: B
JiT [6k\]: why not 15?
]
(;B[gd]C[Reiter [1k\]: B or e15 i like
]
;W[ef]
;B[cf]
;W[cc]
;B[bc]C[manuel001 [10k\]: mmm
JiT [6k\]: d15?
]
;W[dc]
;B[bb]C[Javaness [1d\]: me
etl3 [?\]: I do
Assu [2d\]: o/
Grindel [9k\]: :( 
manuel001 [10k\]: i see
hansb [1k?\]: white G17
Reiter [1k\]: j16 
pugh [7k\]: g15 
Assu [2d\]: g17
]
(;W[eh]C[Yu [1k\]: o/
]
;B[dg]
;W[eg]
;B[jd]C[manuel001 [10k\]: is very bad for white
etl3 [?\]: good for black
Assu [2d\]: Black!!!
Grindel [9k\]: good for black 
Scribe [-\]: very bad for white
])
(;W[gc]LB[gd:A][hd:B]
;B[hc]C[Assu [2d\]: cut
Javaness [1d\]: crosscut
]
(;W[fc]C[Grindel [9k\]: extend 
Assu [2d\]: ^^
etl3 [?\]: cut!
])
(;W[hd]C[hansb [1k?\]: black G18?
Grindel [9k\]: extend 
Scribe [-\]: what is the difference between extend at j17 first and atari at g18 first ?
Grindel [9k\]: and can get sente 
Grindel [9k\]: no 
]
(;B[fc]C[Assu [2d\]: ?
]
;W[gb]C[etl3 [?\]: no
Grindel [9k\]: no 
]
;B[fd]
;W[fb]C[manuel001 [10k\]: gracias
Assu [2d\]: can u teach us chinese after the lecture :)
]
;B[ec]C[Reiter [1k\]: i think i know the answer
Assu [2d\]: :)
manuel001 [10k\]: ok
]
(;W[eb]C[manuel001 [10k\]: repeat pls
]
;B[dd]C[Reiter [1k\]: go back
Javaness [1d\]: \\o/
manuel001 [10k\]: OoO
])
(;W[dd]
;B[eb]C[Assu [2d\]: los domingos
]
;W[ic]
;B[he]
;W[id]LB[ce:A]C[etl3 [?\]: no
Javaness [1d\]: no
Grindel [9k\]: no 
Reiter [1k\]: yes
Reiter [1k\]: hard
Reiter [1k\]: but possible
Assu [2d\]: do u think w can kill black ;)?
]
(;B[ce]C[manuel001 [10k\]: no
]
;W[fg])
(;B[de]
;W[ee]
;B[fg]
;W[cg]TR[hc])))
(;B[gb]
;W[fc]C[mizuka [9k\]: J16
Assu [2d\]: j17
Assu [2d\]: b can punish?
]
;B[ic]C[Assu [2d\]: h15
Grindel [9k\]: yes yeay 
ljl [2k\]: retain sente
Grindel [9k\]: gote
etl3 [?\]: white doesn't have to play F17?
Alak [5k\]: w can J16?
Assu [2d\]: j16
Grindel [9k\]: no 
ljl [2k\]: y
pugh [7k\]: no
etl3 [?\]: nope
Jadeite [-\]: tenuki is always an option ;-)
Scribe [-\]: white should not tenuki here
manuel001 [10k\]: =)
]
(;W[he]C[Grindel [9k\]: extend first when cross cut 
Assu [2d\]: w :)
egemen [-\]: b can h15?
]
;B[lc]LB[ge:A][gg:B]
;W[cg]
;B[df]
;W[dg]
;B[eg]C[Grindel [9k\]: hard to kill 
])
(;W[id]C[pel [3k\]: but not always a good iead :)
]
;B[jc]C[pel [3k\]: idea
Alak [5k\]: aha! ;)
]
;W[ge]C[Grindel [9k\]: ahh 
]
;B[jd]
;W[cg]C[Grindel [9k\]: yes this good 
Assu [2d\]: cut ;)
]
;B[df]
;W[dg]
;B[eg]
;W[bg]
;B[ff]C[manuel001 [10k\]: cuales son los dia que dan clases
gomasch [2d\]: interesting
]
;W[ee]C[manuel001 [10k\]: anyone speak spanish?
Assu [2d\]: yes sensei!!!
agui [4k\]: yes
Grindel [9k\]: yes extend then atari 
Assu [2d\]: yo hablo
]))
(;B[ic]C[manuel001 [10k\]: hehhee
Scribe [-\]: joseki move
]
;W[he]C[Grindel [9k\]: see i said extend 
Grindel [9k\]: why extend first as opposed to atari ?? because the atari will still be there 
]
;B[gb]C[Grindel [9k\]: i thought so 
Creslin [5k\]: W can tenuki and p-lay ladder breaker?
]
;W[fc]C[Assu [2d\]: ahaa
])
(;B[ge]C[Scribe [-\]: g15 is not a joseki move
Javaness [1d\]: looks strange
Grindel [9k\]: atari 
Assu [2d\]: j17
Assu [2d\]: atari
]
;W[ic]
(;B[fc]C[Assu [2d\]: :o
]
;W[hb]
(;B[fd]
;W[fb]C[Grindel [9k\]: now black is bad shape 
]
;B[ec]
(;W[eb]C[Assu [2d\]: d16
]
;B[dd]C[Assu [2d\]: nono
])
(;W[dd]))
(;B[gb]
(;W[fd]C[Grindel [9k\]: ko 
])
(;W[cg]C[Scribe [-\]: big ko !
Grindel [9k\]: yes 
Assu [2d\]: yup
agui [4k\]: yes
gomasch [2d\]: y
Scribe [-\]: c13 creates ko threats first before starting ko
])))
(;B[hb]C[Assu [2d\]: g18
Alak [5k\]: J18
]
(;W[ib]C[Assu [2d\]: no
Assu [2d\]: w is crazy
]
;B[gb]
;W[fc]
;B[id]
;W[he]
;B[jd]
(;W[hf]
;B[jb]C[Scribe [-\]: this is much better for black that the other variation seen before.  black gains too much
]
;W[gf]C[Scribe [-\]: ladder is good for black
]
;B[dh]TR[ib][ic]C[Grindel [9k\]: wow j18 is a 9kyu move i guess 
])
(;W[fb]
;B[hf]
;W[ha]
;B[ie]
(;W[ga]
(;B[hd]
;W[kc]C[Grindel [9k\]: white makes territory :) 
Assu [2d\]: yeah
])
(;B[kc]
;W[hd]C[manuel001 [10k\]: mmm
]
(;B[qg]TR[id][jd][ie][hf]C[Assu [2d\]: no
Conch [6k\]: no
pugh [7k\]: no
Grindel [9k\]: very small exchang for white 
Conch [6k\]: b thick
])
(;B[pj]C[Grindel [9k\]: huge for black 
Grindel [9k\]: yes 
Providence [-\]: yes
Assu [2d\]: this was the real game?
Calinos [5k\]: yes
agui [4k\]: sure !
Jadeite [-\]: agree
Alak [5k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: result is very good for black
])))
(;W[hd]
;B[he]
;W[ga]C[Scribe [-\]: black L17  is sente
]
(;B[hd]
;W[kc]C[Assu [2d\]: hehe
Scribe [-\]: balck must not connect at h16
])
(;B[kc]
(;W[hd]TR[he]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: Q only gets one eye now
Scribe [-\]: the three stones are not important
ImNoSensei [-\]: w*
]
;B[hc])
(;W[pj]
;B[hd]
;W[kb]
;B[lb]))
(;B[pj]
;W[kc]LB[kc:A][hd:B][pj:C]TR[ga][ha]C[Scribe [-\]: white undercuts the moyo
etl3 [?\]: no
Jadeite [-\]: hehe
Assu [2d\]: w resign
Grindel [9k\]: brain overload 
Asumi [5d?\]: everything clear, now homeowrk
Grindel [9k\]: white helps white win 
Calinos [5k\]: thank you bye
Assu [2d\]: short lecture
Jadeite [-\]: 诘棋
]))))
(;W[gb]
;B[ib]C[Grindel [9k\]: j18 
]
;W[jc]
;B[jb]
;W[kc]
;B[kb]C[Assu [2d\]: yes :)
icebucket [10k\]: ??
]
;W[lc]C[Assu [2d\]: for w :)
Javaness [1d\]: looks ugly
Grindel [9k\]: yes forceing black to crawl on 2nd line is good 
]
;B[fc]C[stochastic [2k\]: ugly for black
]
;W[fb]
;B[eb]
;W[ec]
;B[ga]
;W[fd]
;B[fa]C[Assu [2d\]: :o
]
;W[fc]
;B[db]
;W[cb]C[Javaness [1d\]: hehe
]
;B[ca]
;W[lb]
;B[ka]C[Scribe [-\]: black connected
manuel001 [10k\]: OoO
sajmon [2k\]: white bows down to the mighty black
Assu [2d\]: haha
Scribe [-\]: no aji against black
Grindel [9k\]: wow not good for white 
])
(;W[fc]C[Grindel [9k\]: i said j18 :) 
]
(;B[id]C[Grindel [9k\]: oh 
]
;W[he]C[Assu [2d\]: b resign
]
;B[jc]
;W[gf]LB[ge:A][gf:B]C[Assu [2d\]: yes
Assu [2d\]: black!
etl3 [?\]: black
Grindel [9k\]: black changed his goals and lost 
Scribe [-\]: white is better
])
(;B[ib]
;W[he]
;B[gf]
;W[jc]
;B[jb]
;W[kc]
;B[kb]
;W[lc]
;B[lb]
;W[mc]
;B[mb]
;W[eh]LB[eb:A]C[Conch [6k\]: crawling on 2nd bad
Grindel [9k\]: not good for black is pushing fron behind 
Scribe [-\]: too painful for black
])))))))
(;B[ec]C[Reiter [1k\]: e15 
]
;W[fc]
;B[dc]
;W[fd]C[Reiter [1k\]: try e15
Scribe [-\]: result is good fro white
]
;B[de]
;W[jc]C[Javaness [1d\]: too easy
]))
(;W[fc]C[manuel001 [10k\]: hi
])
(;W[fd]))
(;B[di]C[Scribe [-\]: two students of Mingjiu
]))
(;B[dm]
;W[fq]C[etl3 [?\]: Yay, Chinee
]
;B[id]))
(;B[rp]C[Scribe [-\]: Homework !
]
;W[rq]
;B[ro]
;W[qp]
;B[qo]
;W[pp]
;B[po]
;W[op]
;B[oo]
;W[oq]
;B[np]
;W[or]
;B[nr]
;AB[mp][mr]C[jalapeno [7k\]: do anyone have sound of lecture?
coffeepot: black to play
Assu [2d\]: yeah
Scribe [-\]: Black to Play
Assu [2d\]: can u teach us chinese now :)?
mantelus [1d\]: bA1
Jadeite [-\]: thanks :)
etl3 [?\]: Thanks
Creslin [5k\]: Thank you very much. See you next week. Bye
Alak [5k\]: thanks!!!!!
krynn [9k\]: Thank you
agui [4k\]: Thank you very much
ricketrack [5k\]: thx
seidelin [2k\]: thanks
Assu [2d\]: thx
Djey [8k\]: thanks
hansili [4k\]: thank you.
Cutrone [5k\]: thanks
nitram1 [1k\]: thanks
Grindel [9k\]: thank you 
coffeepot: thank you mingjiu
Winters [4k\]: thanks
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
Grindel [9k\]: and thank ing 
manuel001 [10k\]: thank
agui [4k\]: Bye
pugh [7k\]: thanks mingjiu
Tors [6k\]: bye
Asumi [5d?\]: thank You a lot mingjiu laoshi
Providence [-\]: cya
pugh [7k\]: bye
coffeepot: byebye
JiT [6k\]: thx
Asumi [5d?\]: zai jian
Jadeite [-\]: crazy PM sound...lol\]
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to The Ing Goe Foundationb
ImNoSensei [-\]: bye
Grindel [9k\]: he has phone call 
hedkandi05 [10k\]: tx
ImNoSensei [-\]: 88
]))
