(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[900]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
DT[2007-01-14]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Asumi [5d?\]: ni hao laoshi
mingyaod [4k\]: hello
]
(;B[rb]
;W[rc]
;B[qb]
;W[sd]
;B[qc]
;W[qd]
;B[pd]
;W[qe]
;B[pe]
;W[rf]
;B[pf]
;W[qg]
;B[pg]
;W[rh]
;B[qh]
;W[sh]
;B[qi]
;W[]
;B[ri]
;W[]
;B[si]C[etl3 [?\]: wah, homework immediately?
speaking1 [7k\]: yay
etl3 [?\]: yes
butterdish: we hear
agui [4k\]: yes
Bodo212 [8k\]: yes
kiyosumi [2d\]: yes
Tokee [7k\]: si
mingyaod [4k\]: yA
delray: hi
ruger [6k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Mingjiu Laoshi
Asumi [5d?\]: I found a ko
CafeTwin [-\]: I forgot O.o
Asumi [5d?\]: no, I found ko last Sunday 1min after You gave homework
Asumi [5d?\]: But will leave to kyu players to study, no saying which move(s)
Asumi [5d?\]: byoyomi ^_^
speaking1 [7k\]: lol
CafeTwin [-\]: I did it, but forggot, S15 I thought
etl3 [?\]: I think... white will die
ruger [6k\]: S13
etl3 [?\]: T18
fab [-\]: looks dead to me
bigfatcat [1d\]: hm
]
;W[]LB[qf:C][sf:D][rg:A][sg:B]C[speaking1 [7k\]: t14 first
etl3 [?\]: T18!
Vanya [3k\]: t18 
CafeTwin [-\]: S15 O.o
Asumi [5d?\]: s15?
nefrit [2k\]: t 15
Pasukaru [1k\]: s15
etl3 [?\]: haha
etl3 [?\]: T18!
nefrit [2k\]: try t15
Asumi [5d?\]: didn't try t18
bigfatcat [1d\]: hm i saw a double snap-back after b t14 w t15 and b t18...
etl3 [?\]: T18!
OketsuPRO [?\]: t18 
]
(;B[rg]
;W[sg]C[etl3 [?\]: T18
speaking1 [7k\]: t14
]
(;B[qf]C[kiyosumi [2d\]: no
Asumi [5d?\]: ko
etl3 [?\]: nope
TotoroShan [1k\]: no
Vanya [3k\]: w lives
]
;W[re]C[fab [-\]: S15 : alive
etl3 [?\]: yeah
])
(;B[se]
;W[qf]))
(;B[qf]
;W[rg]C[Match1 [2d\]: t14
etl3 [?\]: nope
icebucket [11k\]: T13, R14 to kill
etl3 [?\]: alive
]
(;B[sf]
;W[re])
(;B[sb]
;W[sf]C[Match1 [2d\]: t14 first move
]))
(;B[sf]C[etl3 [?\]: I like T18
]
(;W[rg]
;B[sb]C[bigfatcat [1d\]: ya
])
(;W[se]C[etl3 [?\]: then white lives
agui [4k\]: R14
speaking1 [7k\]: r14
bigfatcat [1d\]: t18 i think
]))
(;B[re]
(;W[se]
;B[qf])
(;W[qf]C[Asumi [5d?\]: t15 I meant
etl3 [?\]: but white will play R14
etl3 [?\]: and then white live
]
;B[sf]C[CafeTwin [-\]: T13
]
;W[se]C[Kerrick [8k\]: mice and men :-)
]))
(;B[rd]
;W[re])
(;B[se]
(;W[sf]C[etl3 [?\]: I thought it was natural
nefrit [2k\]: t18
etl3 [?\]: white alive
Vanya [3k\]: s13 
])
(;W[qf]))
(;B[sb]C[etl3 [?\]: w00
Vanya [3k\]: what if w plays t14 after t18 ?
]
(;W[qf]C[Vanya [3k\]: t14 
etl3 [?\]: T14
OketsuPRO [?\]: t13 
etl3 [?\]: S16
Tokee [7k\]: t13 maybe
Vanya [3k\]: s16 
Asumi [5d?\]: T15
agui [4k\]: S17
cawis [?\]: T16
Tokee [7k\]: t13, t14 t16?
Match1 [2d\]: t13 atari makes ko
OketsuPRO [?\]: t13 
hirolau [7k\]: t14?
etl3 [?\]: I don't thnk so
]
(;B[sf]C[celotaped [5k\]: t14 
icebucket [11k\]: t14
]
;W[se]C[etl3 [?\]: XD
hirolau [7k\]: ohh, sorry
etl3 [?\]: I think ko is best...
]
;B[rd]
;W[sg]C[etl3 [?\]: doesn't work
etl3 [?\]: white's alive
etl3 [?\]: so T14 doesn't kill
])
(;B[sc]
;W[rd]C[etl3 [?\]: alive
])
(;B[rd]C[Asumi [5d?\]: T13
etl3 [?\]: White is dead
OketsuPRO [?\]: dead
Match1 [2d\]: black t13 first :)
]
(;W[sg]C[etl3 [?\]: ah
etl3 [?\]: AH
hansb [1k?\]: T15
agui [4k\]: :)
etl3 [?\]: kwah
])
(;W[re]
;B[sf]))
(;B[sg]
;W[rg]C[etl3 [?\]: T13
]
;B[rd]C[etl3 [?\]: then S16
]
;W[re]
;B[sc]C[Match1 [2d\]: ko^^
etl3 [?\]: ko
]
;W[sf]
;B[rd]))
(;W[sf]C[etl3 [?\]: then black S13
]
;B[rg]C[Vanya [3k\]: thanks
])
(;W[re]
;B[sf])
(;W[se]
;B[qf]
;W[rg]
;B[rd])))
(;B[pd]
(;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dc]
;B[fq]
;W[ip]
;B[cq]
;W[dq]
;B[cp]
;W[do]C[Asumi [5d?\]: my favourite pincer
]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[cr]C[icebucket [11k\]: mingjiu[7p\]: game play
]
;W[eq]
;B[cn]C[etl3 [?\]: E7?
Vanya [3k\]: f4 
celotaped [5k\]: f4 
CafeTwin [-\]: C7 :P
plusguy [-\]: for moyo
CafeTwin [-\]: Is it actually a good Idea to start reducing at this time in the game
THCpower [5d\]: f4
]
(;W[qo]C[Scribe [-\]: very popular pincer at j4 after f3 approach
])
(;W[po])
(;W[qn])
(;W[pn])
(;W[mp]C[Scribe [-\]: White has many ways to continute
Asumi [5d?\]: Once I tried O3, no good
icebucket [11k\]: mingjiu[7p\]: white play here
]
(;B[qo]LB[kp:A]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: how about W N4?
etl3 [?\]: not really
icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: W contineus?
Scribe [-\]: white has open skirt on the bottom
agui [4k\]: O3
ParrotHead [7k\]: open bottom
Scribe [-\]: owes a move there to finish the area
CafeTwin [-\]: tenuki ?
celotaped [5k\]: :)
Asumi [5d?\]: N4 is a move when low chinese is played
Asumi [5d?\]: by B
Cladoo [-\]: e7
etl3 [?\]: e7 an option?
Scribe [-\]: Black r5 is correct....r6 is trying to hard
]
;W[fp]LB[mp:B][mq:A]C[Asumi [5d?\]: maybe N3 was better?
Vanya [3k\]: n3 ?
etl3 [?\]: E7?
Scribe [-\]: After n4 white does not a good continuation
])
(;B[qn]C[etl3 [?\]: Is Q5 ok instead of R5?
]
(;W[]
;B[kp]C[Scribe [-\]: Black needs to be solid in lower right to support possible invasion at L4
]
;W[po]
;B[qo]
;W[pp]
;B[qp]
;W[oq])
(;W[nc]C[Asumi [5d?\]: is shimari in UR better?
Scribe [-\]: Next move is very interesting...please consider where you would play
Asumi [5d?\]: Ul I meant
Principe [6k\]: g4?
agui [4k\]: Q14
maltar [4k\]: L17
]
(;B[mr]LB[qn:A][mr:B]C[Yubikiri [2d\]: q14 isnt interesting -_-
etl3 [?\]: kwah
etl3 [?\]: reduce
Scribe [-\]: n2 is trying to punish n4
Principe [6k\]: threatens to cut?
Scribe [-\]: black f5 is the proper reduction
icebucket [-\]: butterfly?
THCpower [5d\]: thin
]
(;W[]C[Asumi [5d?\]: W could attack corner later
]
(;B[lq]C[CafeTwin [-\]: reduce+make corner stronger
])
(;B[kp]C[etl3 [?\]: no
])
(;B[]
(;W[qq]
;B[qp]
;W[pr]C[Scribe [-\]: r3 is really good move for white
Principe [6k\]: isnt r4 invasion possible also?
etl3 [?\]: white: Q4?
])
(;W[pp]
;B[qp]
;W[oq])))
(;W[qq])
(;W[qf]
;B[oe]
;W[qc]C[Scribe [-\]: Game
]
(;B[kp]
(;W[fp]LB[lq:A]
;B[mq])
(;W[qd]C[Match1 [2d\]: and still the corner at r3 is possible for white
]
(;B[fo]
;W[gp]
;B[fp]
;W[gr]C[Scribe [-\]: White connects
Jadeite [-\]: no
agui [4k\]: yes
gomasch [2d\]: whites group looks attackable now
Match1 [2d\]: black is 2 thin
]
;B[go]
(;W[hp]LB[lq:A]TR[fo][go][fp][fq]C[celotaped [5k\]: terrible
etl3 [?\]: M3
gomasch [2d\]: d6
etl3 [?\]: weak
Scribe [-\]: Black has a weak group at f4 and connection problem at m3
]
;B[gq]
;W[hr])
(;W[ho]C[etl3 [?\]: wah
etl3 [?\]: what about the D4 stones?
Scribe [-\]: White must connect solid at h4 in place of hane at h5
]
(;B[gq]C[icebucket [-\]: f2
]
;W[hr]C[celotaped [5k\]: cut ?
]
;B[hn]C[agui [4k\]: G3
]
;W[in]
;B[hm]
;W[im]LB[dn:A]C[etl3 [?\]: no
])
(;B[hn]
;W[in]
;B[fr]C[CafeTwin [-\]: what is the strength of these players?
]
;W[fs]
;B[hq]C[THCpower [5d\]: ok
Bodo212 [8k\]: no thx
etl3 [?\]: No
agui [4k\]: no
hirolau [7k\]: who won?
etl3 [?\]: I have a question
celotaped [5k\]: :)
etl3 [?\]: I have one
Hu [6k\]: How to make invasions under the fourth line?
etl3 [?\]: low kyu
etl3 [?\]: just e t l 3
]
;W[gq]
;B[hp]
;W[io]
;B[hr]
;W[gs]C[jjermann [6k\]: and black fixed M3 aji
]
;B[jq]C[Scribe [-\]: h3 severe move
etl3 [?\]: cut
THCpower [5d\]: d6
]
;W[dn]
;B[cm]
;W[dm]
;B[gm]C[gomasch [2d\]: h3 nice move
THCpower [5d\]: jump
])))
(;B[gp]C[Scribe [-\]: g4 moves to split white
])))
(;B[fo])))
(;B[fo]C[Scribe [-\]: proper reduction
])
(;B[pf]C[Principe [6k\]: ye
agui [4k\]: yes
speaking1 [7k\]: ok
Bodo212 [8k\]: ok
]))))
(;W[nq]
;B[qo]C[Asumi [5d?\]: yes, made huge moyo, but lost something later
stupid [5k\]: f4 not necessary?
hansb [1k?\]: P5?
Yu [1k\]: P5
Asumi [5d?\]: too passive
plusguy [-\]: maby push D6 one more before O5?
]
(;W[lp]C[Yubikiri [2d\]: j4 looks bad now...
agui [4k\]: no
])
(;W[no]C[Asumi [5d?\]: yes
agui [4k\]: better
Asumi [5d?\]: but F3 stone now has some real aji
Asumi [5d?\]: but W ends in gote
]))
(;W[mq]
;B[qo]
;W[fp]))
(;W[nc]
;B[kd]
;W[le]C[etl3 [?\]: is this ok?
etl3 [?\]: I don't know this one
etl3 [?\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: oh, please check a standard joseki book
]
;B[cp]
;W[eq]
;B[hp]
;W[go]C[etl3 [?\]: No
Tokee [6k\]: oha
THCpower [5d\]: me too
THCpower [5d\]: :)
THCpower [5d\]: i dont know almost every joseki :)
JoePatzer [17k\]: e4
]
;B[ep]C[Vanya [3k\]: kadziwara's joseki
]
;W[dp]
;B[do]
;W[dq]
;B[cq]
(;W[gq]
;B[eo]
(;W[gp]C[Scribe [-\]: white jump to g3 is the proper move...its a tesuji !
etl3 [?\]: Ok.
THCpower [5d\]: ok
etl3 [?\]: Any other ways?
]
(;B[nd]
;W[od]
;B[oe]C[Scribe [-\]: extra line in corner makes a big difference
]
;W[oc]
;B[pc]C[etl3 [?\]: ahhh ok
]
;W[lc]
;B[ne]
;W[ld]C[THCpower [5d\]: better for b
]
;B[qf]LB[qi:B][cl:A]C[Scribe [-\]: white can play the sam way in both corners
etl3 [?\]: Ok.
Scribe [-\]: but in the upper right black must fix afterward
etl3 [?\]: Thank you, that's all
Scribe [-\]: not needed in lower left
])
(;B[qf]
;W[ld]
;B[kc]
;W[lc]C[etl3 [?\]: I see
]
(;B[gc])
(;B[dd]
;W[]
;B[fc])))
(;W[]C[Scribe [-\]: white elephant jump invites black to cut
Scribe [-\]: corner is big but not secure after white pushes up at m16 first after black n16
etl3 [?\]: Yes
etl3 [?\]: Thank you
Tokee [6k\]: I am a german player ant want to know wether "Hans Pietsch" ever invented a joseki you know of
Vanya [3k\]: may I ask ?
Vanya [3k\]: small
delray: could u expain worldoza3 last game 
]
(;B[ld]
;W[md]
;B[me]
;W[ne]
;B[mf]
;W[nf]
;B[mg]
;W[pf]C[etl3 [?\]: ahhh
etl3 [?\]: Haha
])
(;B[qf]C[etl3 [?\]: Ok
])
(;B[md]
(;W[ld]
;B[mc]
;W[lc]
;B[mb]C[etl3 [?\]: Ah.
]
;W[me])
(;W[oe]
;B[pe]
;W[of]
;B[qg]
;W[ld]))
(;B[pf]
;W[ke])))
(;W[eo]
;B[fp])
(;W[fp]C[etl3 [?\]: G3?
]
;B[eo]C[THCpower [5d\]: g3
]))
(;W[dc]
;B[pq]
;W[cp]
;B[pk]
;W[fq]
;B[jp]
;W[po]
;B[np]
;W[no]
;B[mp]C[Asumi [5d?\]: Вања ;)
etl3 [?\]: ooh, Chinese.
etl3 [?\]: Against Anti Chinese
Vanya [3k\]: how to answer?
Vanya [3k\]: yes
]
;W[qq]C[THCpower [5d\]: r3
etl3 [?\]: R3 still works
]
(;B[pp]
;W[qp]LB[fq:A]TR[jp][mp][np][jr]C[Scribe [-\]: result is good for whtie
Scribe [-\]: white is alive
hansb [1k?\]: if black R2?
Vanya [3k\]: what about tenuki?
etl3 [?\]: Yes
])
(;B[qr]
;W[qp]
;B[rr]
;W[qm]LB[jr:A]C[etl3 [?\]: White is good
Scribe [-\]: good enough for white
Vanya [3k\]: i see , thank you
])
(;B[qp]C[celotaped [5k\]: i am
hansb [1k?\]: yes
]
;W[pp]
(;B[oq]
;W[rp]C[Tokee [6k\]: I am not if you ask like this
])
(;B[rq]
;W[oq]
;B[qr]
;W[pr]
(;B[op]
;W[qq])
(;B[qq]
;W[op]C[Scribe [-\]: black position split !
Vanya [3k\]: clear, thank you
Scribe [-\]: Black three outside stones not happy
Asumi [5d?\]: Homework?
])))))
(;B[sr]
;W[rr]C[Scribe [-\]: Please do not comment on the new Homework...wait till next week !
]
;B[rq]
;W[qq]
;B[qp]
;W[pq]
;B[ro]
;W[oq]
;B[pr]
;W[or]
;B[pp]
;W[nq]
;B[op]
;W[mr]
;B[np]
;W[]
;B[mq]
;W[]
;B[lq]
;W[]
;B[jq]
;W[]
;B[jr]C[Scribe [-\]: Please do not comment on the new Homework...wait till next week !
Scribe [-\]: Black to move
au2 [1d\]: Thank you for the lecture
Jadeite [-\]: thanks Mingjiu :)
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
Asumi [5d?\]: xiexie ni, mingjiu laoshi
THCpower [5d\]: what is this?
kiyosumi [2d\]: th
kiyosumi [2d\]: x
hirolau [7k\]: thx
au2 [1d\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
Winters [4k\]: thanks
mingyaod [4k\]: THANK YOU
Vanya [3k\]: thank you
]))