(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
DT[2006-12-31]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
;B[qd]
;W[dc]
;B[cp]C[suducodu [?\]: Hi
SixPack [3k\]: hello, happy new year all
agui [4k\]: Hello
suducodu [?\]: Happy NewYear
hansb [1k?\]: it is okay
agui [4k\]: Happy new year !
smudge [6k\]: You are in the right room :)
]
;W[pq]
(;B[od]C[hansb [1k?\]: GoSeigen vs Kargane in 1942
]
(;W[kc]
;B[qm]
;W[ob])
(;W[eq]
;B[qo]
(;W[pl]C[butterdish: no komi?
]
;B[qq]
;W[qr]
;B[pp]
(;W[oq]
;B[rq]
;W[lq]
;B[op]
;W[np]
;B[no]
;W[mp]
;B[pj])
(;W[rq]C[K2na [8k?\]: 大家好
Haugh [20k\]: hi
Scribe [-\]: At that time, no one plays at s3.  its not good for White. Black outside is too good
]
;B[oq]
;W[qp]
;B[pr]
;W[qq]
;B[oo]C[Scribe [-\]: Wu Qingyuan played s3 and through his example changed the popular view
Scribe [-\]: White has six points in the corner and has the opportunity to hane on each side...adding 8 points more
]
(;W[or])
(;W[ro])
(;W[kp]
;B[do]C[Scribe [-\]: Real Game
]
(;W[np]C[Scribe [-\]: Wu learned the old style throughly and was able to find places to change the direction of play and gain
Scribe [-\]: After both White sente moves, Black is very heavy
]
;B[op]
;W[pn]
;B[po])
(;W[cf]C[toi [2k\]: upper side somewhere
K2na [8k?\]: K9
Juergonaut [1d\]: I17
Zark [1d\]: K17
smudge [6k\]: J17
Nemessis [1d\]: j17 q11 ?
Inuikun [1k\]: k17
Scribe [-\]: Black stones in lower right have the outside but White (Wu) has the outside of the outside making Black outside much less valuable
agui [4k\]: K17
listen [2d\]: k17
K2na [8k?\]: K17 sorry
butterdish: q11 
]
(;B[jc]C[TheEmperor [9k\]: Bottom? Fix the shape...
Scribe [-\]: huge move, but is it urgent ?
])
(;B[hp])
(;B[hq])
(;B[ip])
(;B[iq]
(;W[jo]
;B[fp]C[Scribe [-\]: Black must invade before White attacks the Black right side group
])
(;W[fp]C[phoung [11k\]: m3 after?
]
(;B[kr])
(;B[io]C[K2na [8k?\]: J5 and keep them separeted
K2na [8k?\]: oh
Scribe [-\]: jump and split white
]
(;W[cr]C[Scribe [-\]: attack both groups on the bottom of the board
Scribe [-\]: White must settle one group
Scribe [-\]: c2 is good way to settle quickly
listen [2d\]: f6 maybe better?
Yippie [1k\]: not aextend further?
]
(;B[cl]C[Scribe [-\]: and with sente
SixPack [3k\]: shape move
TheEmperor [9k\]: Yes.
hansb [1k?\]: urgent move
toi [2k\]: if white could attack there, it would be very big
Scribe [-\]: c8 considered a slow move by Jujo
TheEmperor [9k\]: l6 
toi [2k\]: o4
agui [4k\]: o4
kiyosumi [2d\]: L6
K2na [8k?\]: L6
K2na [8k?\]: save the white stone
]
(;W[np]
;B[op])
(;W[lm]C[toi [2k\]: oh go seigen's favourite big keima ^^
SixPack [3k\]: light and flexible
Scribe [-\]: White seeks to escape and enclose black stones
K2na [8k?\]: interesting one
freddo [5d?\]: Its nice :)
K2na [8k?\]: (but i would not have played it myself ;o) )
]
(;B[om]C[Scribe [-\]: Real Game
]
;W[ol]
(;B[mm]C[Scribe [-\]: Real Game
]
(;W[ml]
(;B[nl]
;W[nk]
;B[nm]
;W[mk]
;B[ln]
;W[km]
;B[or]
;W[ro]
;B[kn])
(;B[ln]
;W[nm]
;B[mn]
;W[nn]
;B[no]
;W[km]
;B[kn]))
(;W[ll]C[Scribe [-\]: Real Game
]
;B[ml]
;W[mk]
(;B[nk]
;W[nl]
;B[nm]
;W[lk])
(;B[mn]C[Scribe [-\]: Real Game
]
;W[ln]
(;B[mp]
;W[lk])
(;B[lk]
;W[np]C[tablescrap [?\]: atari
kyuplayer1 [2k\]: o9
Storken [3k\]: o9
hansb [1k?\]: N4
K2na [8k?\]: o9 and put some pressure on p8
]
(;B[op]C[K2na [8k?\]: L9 M9 O9 ?
]
;W[mj]
(;B[kk])
(;B[lo]
(;W[ko]
;B[kn]
;W[mo]C[K2na [8k?\]: instead of o4
])
(;W[kk]
;B[ko]
;W[lj]
;B[or]
;W[ro])))
(;B[nk]
;W[mj]
;B[nl]
;W[kk]
;B[nj]
;W[mi]C[Zark [1d\]: M5
listen [2d\]: n4
]
;B[oh]
;W[ro])
(;B[lo]C[K2na [8k?\]: L9 ?
]
;W[ko])
(;B[mp]C[hansb [1k?\]: me too
]
(;W[mq]
;B[lo]
;W[ko]
;B[nq])
(;W[op]
;B[po]
;W[nq]
;B[lo]
;W[ko]
;B[mq]
;W[no]
;B[mo]
(;W[nn]C[Plunder [4k\]: O6 not better than N5?
]
;B[nm])
(;W[jq]
;B[nr]
;W[or]
;B[nn]
;W[oq]
;B[kn]
;W[jn]
(;B[km]
;W[kl]
;B[jm]C[Scribe [-\]: Game is better for whtie
]
(;W[lj]
;B[im]
;W[kk]
;B[ir])
(;W[in]
;B[im]
;W[hn]C[Scribe [-\]: White mistake to atari at m10
]
;B[lj]
;W[jk]))
(;B[nk]
;W[mj]
;B[km]
;W[kl]
;B[jm]C[krynn [9k\]: k5?
]
;W[in]C[sicbanana [5k\]: k8 maybe?
hansb [1k?\]: K9?
murky: L10
Scribe [-\]: cut before the ladder is established?  very difficult
]
(;B[jl]
;W[kk]
;B[jk]
;W[kj]C[sicbanana [5k\]: yes
sicbanana [5k\]: g8
listen [2d\]: h6
sicbanana [5k\]: ok
]
(;B[gl])
(;B[hn]
;W[ho]))
(;B[jo]C[sicbanana [5k\]: maybe white j7?
listen [2d\]: w h5?
sicbanana [5k\]: instead j6
]
;W[kk]C[sicbanana [5k\]: j7
Scribe [-\]: White fixes a weakness and sets up ladder
TheEmperor [9k\]: h7 ?
sicbanana [5k\]: sacrifice trheestones to get thickness
Scribe [-\]: bad direction of play for Black to play at j7 now
tablescrap [?\]: not at all
murky: Never
ligo [?\]: good idea
murky: nevre enough 
K2na [8k?\]: plz continue ;o)
lepinskie [?\]: =)
Storken [3k\]: ^_^
sicbanana [5k\]: no, we are just good listeners :)
Plunder [4k\]: =D
K2na [8k?\]: 不想休息
butterdish: I drink lots of coffee so stay awake :)
onion80 [8k\]: listening to you talk is nice
Kaiu [5k\]: Isnt O10 black sente hoping to attack P8-9 stones ?
]
(;B[im]
;W[hn]
;B[hm]
;W[ho])
(;B[jk]
(;W[kj]
;B[hn]
;W[im]
;B[jl])
(;W[jl]
;B[im]
;W[hn]
;B[il]
;W[kj]C[sicbanana [5k\]: is this good for black?
Haugh [20k\]: buttom not good for white?
]
(;B[ip]
;W[gm]
;B[hk]
;W[ir]
;B[hr]
;W[jr]
;B[gq]
;W[gp])
(;B[jp]C[Scribe [-\]: black has severe problem on the bottom now
Kaiu [5k\]: oh :)
TheEmperor [9k\]: :D
Walas [3k\]: nice move but looks horrible =D
]
;W[ho]
;B[ip]C[sicbanana [5k\]: one more liberty
]
;W[kq]C[K2na [8k?\]: nice
Scribe [-\]: bad shape, but it works!  works is better than shape
kiyosumi [2d\]: extend down
]
;B[ir]C[Slarty [-\]: works is shapew
HikariHime [4k\]: oic!
K2na [8k?\]: very nice, hard to see
sicbanana [5k\]: what about atacking j7 group?
Scribe [-\]: Overall game is a little favorable for White
Haugh [20k\]: L2 for black
]
;W[ik]C[listen [2d\]: why doesn't w simply play h9?
]
;B[gm]
(;W[hk]C[listen [2d\]: no,before j9
]
;B[gl]C[sicbanana [5k\]: yes, thought about that too
])
(;W[dl]C[Darg [1k\]: how?
sicbanana [5k\]: yes
Nemessis [1d\]: yes
Storken [3k\]: yes
Kaiu [5k\]: Yes
Tyro82 [4k?\]: yes
jackblack1 [8k\]: yes
Darg [1k\]: yes
lepinskie [?\]: yes =)
kiyosumi [2d\]: yes
Walas [3k\]: yes
Nemessis [1d\]: hehe
TheEmperor [9k\]: Yes.
Scribe [-\]: yes we can hear you
NetCrawler [6k\]: YES
agui [4k\]: yes
onion80 [8k\]: some is trying to send you a message
Scribe [-\]: someone is opening a chat windos
Kaiu [5k\]: Héhé, this was a private discussion ringing
Scribe [-\]: sounds like telephone
lepinskie [?\]: oh well 
Scribe [-\]: its a chat window on KGS f
HikariHime [4k\]: lag!!
]
(;B[dm]
;W[em]
;B[dn]
;W[ck]
;B[bl]
;W[hk]
;B[gl]
;W[gk]
;B[el]C[listen [2d\]: doesn't h9 before j9 catch the group?
]
;W[fl])
(;B[ck]
(;W[dn]
;B[cn])
(;W[cm]C[sicbanana [5k\]: i never know when to play such a bold tsuke :P
]
;B[dm]
;W[dn]
;B[em]
(;W[en])
(;W[fm]C[sicbanana [5k\]: i want to know if whit can kill l7 group with h9 instead of j9...possible?
lepinskie [?\]: what confidence and ingenuity in d8 =)
]
(;B[fl]
;W[fn]
;B[en]
;W[hl])
(;B[fn]
;W[fl]
;B[en]
;W[hl]))))
(;B[cm]C[lepinskie [?\]: =)
]
;W[hk]
;B[gl]
;W[gk]
;B[fn]C[Scribe [-\]: at this point in the game, each player is taking 1 hour per move
murky: B3
onion80 [8k\]: h4
Zark [1d\]: H4
nicat [2k\]: l4
murky: This is H16?
]
(;W[hd]C[butterdish: n18
onion80 [8k\]: (that's h16)
Nemessis [1d\]: ^^
])
(;W[jd]
(;B[fc]C[sicbanana [5k\]: h5 group is alive?
sicbanana [5k\]: ok
Scribe [-\]: white corner is alive....h5 are cutting two live groups, therefore not critical stones
listen [2d\]: *group
]
(;W[hr])
(;W[hc])
(;W[ec]
;B[fd]
;W[hc]C[listen [2d\]: h9 instead of j9 kills the froup
])
(;W[mc]
;B[jb])
(;W[qe]
(;B[rd])
(;B[pe]
;W[qf]C[tablescrap [?\]: is this asking move?
]
;B[rd]
;W[pf]C[Scribe [-\]: White probe at r15
Scribe [-\]: yes its an asking move
]
(;B[fe]
;W[mc]
(;B[ne]
;W[pc])
(;B[nb]
;W[ne]))
(;B[lc]
;W[ne]
(;B[fe]
;W[mc]
;B[md]
;W[nd]
;B[nc]
;W[mb]
;B[lb]
;W[oe]
;B[pd]
;W[nb]
;B[oc]
;W[ld]
;B[me]
;W[mf]
;B[le]
;W[kd])
(;B[md]C[sicbanana [5k\]: k17
tablescrap [?\]: f15
sicbanana [5k\]: or j17
onion80 [8k\]: now attack f17?
agui [4k\]: N15
Walas [3k\]: o8?
impulse [2k\]: c9
hansb [1k?\]: E17
Slarty [-\]: M15
SunnyD [2d\]: G16
]
;W[nl]C[sicbanana [5k\]: ah
Scribe [-\]: huge move to make right side
Reiter [2k\]: who's game is this?
]
;B[mi]
;W[hr]
;B[hq]
;W[gr]
;B[gq]
;W[fq]
;B[hs]
;W[fr]
;B[lr]C[Scribe [-\]: Wu Qingyyuan (Go Seigen) vs Karigane
Reiter [2k\]: ok thanks
]
(;W[ni]
;B[nj]
;W[lj]
(;B[og]
(;W[of]
;B[oi]
;W[nh]
;B[ng]
;W[oh]
;B[ph]
;W[mh]
;B[lh]
;W[mg]
;B[mf]
;W[lg]
;B[lf]
;W[kg]
;B[pg]
(;W[nf]
;B[rg])
(;W[rh]
;B[nf]C[murky: nice plan
]
;W[qi]
;B[pi]))
(;W[oi]
;B[of]
;W[kc]C[Scribe [-\]: must be very careful when opponent plays unexpected moves...need to figure out his plan
]
;B[ph]
;W[de]
(;B[lb]
;W[hc]
(;B[di]
;W[qi]
;B[qh]
;W[ri]
;B[dr]
;W[dq]
;B[br]
;W[cq]
;B[bq]
;W[jr]
;B[js]
;W[gs]
;B[is]
(;W[gn]
(;B[fm]C[lepinskie [?\]: so ends sente? cool
]
;W[fo])
(;B[hm]C[Reiter [2k\]: doesnt d1 just make it live easily?
]
;W[fo]
;B[hp]
;W[go]
;B[kr]C[Reiter [2k\]: ALL DO HE MAY WANT MORE THEN JUST LIVE SMALL
Reiter [2k\]: sorry
Reiter [2k\]: caps lock
]
;W[ks]C[hansb [1k?\]: E1
]
;B[ls]
;W[en]
;B[fl]
;W[fk]
;B[el]
;W[ek]
;B[dk]
;W[dn]
;B[cn]
;W[gp]
;B[ks]
;W[dm]C[Reiter [2k\]: couldnt white made ko?
Reiter [2k\]: oh he can just kill
]
;B[dj]C[Reiter [2k\]: oops
murky: nice capture
]
;W[rh]C[IHateSAT [3k\]: How's that a capture?
IHateSAT [3k\]: l3 is dead
Reiter [2k\]: g7 alive?
Reiter [2k\]: oh yeah
Reiter [2k\]: lol forgot about it
]
(;B[lf]
(;W[ns]
;B[pm]
;W[qn]
;B[ro]
;W[qm]
;B[pn]
;W[nm]
;B[ql])
(;W[jf]C[Reiter [2k\]: f4 livrd in miai no?
Reiter [2k\]: lives
]
;B[db]
;W[cb]
(;B[ec]
;W[dd]
;B[hd])
(;B[hd]C[Scribe [-\]: Black can not sacrifice f17 stone...that area is too big...too many points for white
]
;W[gd]
;B[ec]
;W[dd]
;B[hb]
;W[gc]
;B[gb]
;W[ib]
;B[ic]
;W[jb]
;B[eb]
;W[ge]
;B[cc]
;W[bc]
;B[ca]
;W[bb]
;B[fa]
;W[mg]
;B[mf]
;W[eh]
;B[kg]
;W[jg]
;B[cs]
;W[eo]
;B[kh]
;W[jh]
;B[dh]
;W[eg]
;B[dg]
;W[df]
;B[bg]
;W[cg]
;B[ch]
;W[bf]
;B[bh]C[gos22 [2d\]: D4 ?to kiil
Reiter [2k\]: no
IHateSAT [3k\]: d4 f7 
]
;W[pm]C[chuanqian [4d\]: w cannot die
Reiter [2k\]: its amiai there
Plunder [4k\]: no; F7 sente
Reiter [2k\]: miai
Reiter [2k\]: f7 
]
;B[ns]
;W[ng]
;B[nf]
;W[ro]
;B[qn]
;W[rm]C[Scribe [-\]: Black resigns
Reiter [2k\]: black resignd?
Reiter [2k\]: ok
Reiter [2k\]: who si black
murky: no komi?
IHateSAT [3k\]: Martin Luther King?
Reiter [2k\]: how much more then black?
Reiter [2k\]: i didnt hear
chuanqian [4d\]: wow
Reiter [2k\]: 15 pt for white
Reiter [2k\]: can you show me the fuseki quiclki for a sec?
Reiter [2k\]: quickly
Scribe [-\]: Reiter you can download the game from Inggoeschool.bresler.org after the lesson
Reiter [2k\]: ok
onion80 [8k\]: (or just "view offline")
Reiter [2k\]: sorry ^_^
chuanqian [4d\]: w is Wuqingyuan (7p)
lepinskie [?\]: =) nooo
TwistedOne [1d\]: what do people say about Xie He, I wonder
tablescrap [?\]: its interesting the whole time
murky: Thanks a lot
Reiter [2k\]: same to you
TheEmperor [9k\]: Thank you.
lepinskie [?\]: thank you 
ruger [6k\]: thank you
au2 [1d\]: THANK YOU
onion80 [8k\]: thank you very much
Zark [1d\]: thank you
listen [2d\]: thx
TheEmperor [9k\]: Happy New Year.
au2 [1d\]: GOOD LECTURE
hansili [3k\]: thank you!
sakura11 [2k\]: Thank you
Walas [3k\]: thanks
TwistedOne [1d\]: It's a huge honour for us
Engalgo [7k\]: Happy ner year and Thanks
Plunder [4k\]: Thanks 
TwistedOne [1d\]: thanks a lot
KGSagi [6k\]: אישמל טםו
Reiter [2k\]: THANKS FOR THE LESSON AND HAPPY NEW YEARS!
krynn [9k\]: Thank you and happy new year!
au2 [1d\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
KGSagi [6k\]: thank you
sakura11 [2k\]: Happy new year
Slarty [-\]: thank you
chuanqian [4d\]: 新年快乐
butterdish: thanks for sharing nice game with us
au2 [1d\]: HAPPY NEW YEAR
murky: Bye
au2 [1d\]: BYE BYE
butterdish: bye bye
chuanqian [4d\]: bye bye
gos22 [2d\]: thx you 
kiyosumi [2d\]: Thx
Reiter [2k\]: bye 
])))
(;B[ch]
;W[oe]
;B[pd]
;W[mf])))
(;W[gp]
;B[kr]))
(;B[pi]
;W[cj]))
(;B[pi]
;W[nc]
;B[nd]
;W[lb])))
(;B[oi]
;W[nh]
;B[og]
;W[oh]
;B[pg]
;W[ph]
;B[qg]
;W[ng]
;B[of]
;W[oe]
;B[pd]
;W[qh]))
(;W[gp]))))))
(;B[gq]
;W[bq]))
(;W[kd]
;B[ic])
(;W[id])))))))))))))))
(;B[pm]
;W[nl]
;B[ro]
;W[or]
;B[nr]
;W[ps]
;B[nq]
;W[mc]C[Scribe [-\]: games becomes too easy for White
Scribe [-\]: Black can not just live, must go better
])
(;B[nl]
;W[nm]
;B[nk]
;W[nn]
;B[on]
;W[np]
;B[op]C[Scribe [-\]: White does not have to kill Black, its enough to squeeze Black smale
]
;W[ro]
;B[no]
;W[lo]))
(;B[nr]C[Scribe [-\]: White is attacking Black whole group
]
;W[np]
;B[op]
;W[ps]
;B[or]
;W[ro]
(;B[kr])
(;B[qn]
;W[rm]))))
(;B[kn]C[K2na [8k?\]: what about L10 ?
K2na [8k?\]: 6 sorry
Yippie [1k\]: he meant l6
K2na [8k?\]: L6 i wanted to type ;o)
]
;W[dl]
;B[em]C[Scribe [-\]: possible line of play
]
;W[el]
;B[fm]
;W[pi]
;B[br]C[Scribe [-\]: this si good for black
]
;W[cq]
;B[bq]
;W[gq]
;B[or]
;W[ro]
;B[qn]
;W[rm]
;B[ic]))
(;W[kn]
;B[dq]
;W[fn]
;B[im]
(;W[ll])
(;W[kl]C[Scribe [-\]: e3 and f4 are under attack
]
;B[om])))))))))
(;W[op]
(;B[ql])
(;B[ce]))))
(;B[oc]))
