(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[7.00]TM[3600]OT[25/600 Canadian]
DT[2006-12-10]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[icebucket [13k\]: Morning 
Javaness [1d\]: hi mingjiu
AndreAy [2k\]: Good evening
Cutrone [6k\]: good morning
partisan [6k\]: evening!
mallow [-\]: day?
icebucket [13k\]: mid nite anyone?
grumpfl [7k\]: hi
xushibagua [6k\]: nin hao jiang laoshi
jjermann [5k?\]: hello
Hu [6k\]: Hello, sound is good.
Akamaru [3d\]: hi
seidelin [2k\]: we hear you
hikaru834 [-\]: 你好
ThomA [8k\]: hello
tablescrap [?\]: hi we hear
grumpfl [7k\]: clear
jjermann [5k?\]: yes
Javaness [1d\]: we missed you
octopus [1d\]: hello
TotoroShan [2k\]: hello
Cutrone [6k\]: where do you live mr mingjiu?
Scribe [-\]: speak easier than read, read easier than write ;)
icebucket [13k\]: Yes!
rhubarb [1d\]: hi
Scribe [-\]: two 4-5 dan players students of Jiang Mingjiu
Truc [4k?\]: homework!
Grindel [10k\]: home work yeay 
]
(;B[pp]C[Cutrone [6k\]: ok 
rhubarb [1d\]: is audio?
]
;W[dq]C[Plunder [5k\]: who were the players? Spirit? 
]
;B[dd]
;W[pd]
;B[mq]C[Javaness [1d\]: spirit lives in netherlands
]
;W[cf]
;B[fd]
;W[ck]LB[nc:C][nd:F][qf:B][pg:G][pj:A][do:E][gp:D]TR[pp][mq]C[partisan [6k\]: for audio you have to close jujos game first :)
Scribe [-\]: mini-chinese opening by white
rhubarb [1d\]: thx parti
etl3 [?\]: Q10
ArsMagica [5k\]: r14 
Truc [4k?\]: o17
Hu [6k\]: C5
seidelin [2k\]: s14
matchbox2: g4 
babukun [2d\]: o17 
mallow [-\]: f4-ish
Plunder [5k\]: O16 
icebucket [13k\]: D5
Plunder [5k\]: some anti-pincer attack on Q16 from O16 side =)
Akamaru [3d\]: q13
zeko [-\]: R11
Repacse [3k\]: r9 
babukun [2d\]: C
icebucket [13k\]: B
Chachi [3k\]: B
seidelin [2k\]: B
ArsMagica [5k\]: B
partisan [6k\]: b
AndreAy [2k\]: C
etl3 [?\]: A
Plunder [5k\]: F
Inuikun [1k\]: d
Homefry [13k\]: B
Truc [4k?\]: C
jcbrookly1 [?\]: b
jjermann [5k?\]: a
rhubarb [1d\]: C
Plunder [5k\]: C
AndreAy [2k\]: C
TotoroShan [2k\]: F
partisan [6k\]: g?
icebucket [13k\]: got it thx.
jjermann [5k?\]: why not Q10 right away?
tennis [5k\]: hi mingjiu
]
(;B[jc]C[AndreAy [2k\]: no
rhubarb [1d\]: mini chinese
xushibagua [6k\]: closes the skirt?
Hu [6k\]: Black is passive?
Scribe [-\]: makes white b16 into a thank you move
whendrik [-\]: no
babukun [2d\]: no
seidelin [2k\]: no
ArsMagica [5k\]: r14 better :)
ThomA [8k\]: no
Creslin [6k\]: q10 feels also urgent
]
(;W[qj])
(;W[jp]
;B[hp]C[Scribe [-\]: creates a fighting game
]
(;W[in]C[Akamaru [3d\]: 300-pound stones
octopus [1d\]: d4 also possible?
]
(;B[jo]C[icebucket [13k\]: (+.+)
Scribe [-\]: j6 is bad shape here
])
(;B[eo]C[AndreAy [2k\]: e5 bad
Grindel [10k\]: walking behind 
]
;W[fp]
(;B[hn]
(;W[im]
;B[fo])
(;W[fo]
;B[im]
;W[jn]
;B[gm]C[icebucket [13k\]: ...
Truc [4k?\]: good for b
Scribe [-\]: white three stones are isolated
]
;W[em]
;B[dl]))
(;B[fo]C[Scribe [-\]: still okay for black
]
(;W[gp]
;B[go]
;W[ho]C[Scribe [-\]: big fighting
]
;B[hq]C[Scribe [-\]: white shape is not good
Cutrone [6k\]: ooo
])
(;W[go]
;B[gp]C[Plunder [5k\]: how can b prevent a big fighting game and still play good?
]
;W[fq]C[icebucket [13k\]: white
xushibagua [6k\]: white
ThomA [8k\]: W
Scribe [-\]: white is better
])))
(;B[do]
;W[eo]C[Scribe [-\]: e5  better than d5
]
;B[en]
;W[fo]
;B[hn])
(;B[co]
;W[do]C[Scribe [-\]: bad idea to play h6 before e5
Akamaru [3d\]: but then e3, and then d9:P
]
;B[dn]C[Grindel [10k\]: more complications 
AndreAy [2k\]: no
Grindel [10k\]: they have a long way to run 
Scribe [-\]: white must not do this
]
(;W[eo]C[Scribe [-\]: c5 is too deep
Scribe [-\]: very easy for white to attack black
Grindel [10k\]: bad 
icebucket [13k\]: innundated by Black
]
;B[cp]
;W[cq]
;B[hn]C[babukun [2d\]: is c5 the game?
]
;W[en]TR[dn][co][cp]C[Scribe [-\]: white must split black seeking to attack
Scribe [-\]: black three stones on the left are very heavy
])
(;W[cp]C[Scribe [-\]: white must play e5
]
;B[eo]C[Scribe [-\]: wrong direction of play
]
;W[dp]C[AndreAy [2k\]: no
Grindel [10k\]: yes 
Scribe [-\]: black gets better shape, white j6 stone is poorly placed
]
;B[fm]LB[jo:A]TR[fm][dn][in][co][eo][jp]C[AndreAy [2k\]: k4 looks weak now
Scribe [-\]: white played to split black then changed purpose to defend the corner
FishOn [6k\]: weak
blubb [1k\]: better to keep b separated
etl3 [?\]: nope
agui [4k\]: no
TotoroShan [2k\]: no, it's ok
icebucket [13k\]: no
xushibagua [6k\]: very good explanations
Principe [-\]: no
Grindel [10k\]: you explained things so well 
]
;W[fk]
;B[hm]C[Scribe [-\]: inconsistent to play d5 and then take corner with  c4
Grindel [10k\]: white didn't follow through on saveing the stones 
Scribe [-\]: black attacks white
]
;W[im]
;B[hl]C[BeSai [13k\]: b att w
]
;W[jk]
;B[hj]
;W[go]
(;B[dl]
(;W[dk]
;B[fo]C[BeSai [13k\]: ouch
]
;W[gp]
;B[eq]C[Grindel [10k\]: was that miai 
]
;W[fq]
;B[ep]
;W[er]
;B[fr]
;W[dr]
;B[gq]
;W[fp]
;B[ho]
;W[gn]
;B[hn]C[Scribe [-\]: game is over
])
(;W[ep]C[Plunder [5k\]: who was spirit; b or w? (just some observer mcan aswer)
]))
(;B[fo]C[BeSai [13k\]: F4
Grindel [10k\]: f3 
blubb [1k\]: g6 
]
(;W[gp]
;B[eq]
;W[ep]
;B[fp]
;W[fq]
;B[gq]
;W[er]
;B[ho]
;W[gn]
;B[hn])
(;W[gn]
(;B[dl])
(;B[gp]
;W[fn]
;B[en]
;W[gm]
;B[gl]
;W[fl]
;B[hn])))))
(;B[hn]
;W[im]))
(;W[do])))
(;B[nc]
;W[qf]TR[pp][mq]C[Scribe [-\]: right side is damaged
]
(;B[kc])
(;B[pj]))
(;B[qf]
;W[nc]LB[fd:A]C[icebucket [13k\]: spray paint
]
;B[pj]LB[fc:B][fd:A]C[FishOn [6k\]: moyo
Scribe [-\]: black f16 is now misplaced
partisan [6k\]: to high?
babukun [2d\]: white will have h17 
])
(;B[gp]C[Akamaru [3d\]: push the white stone aside, and place one there:)
]
;W[do]
;B[pj]C[Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu likes G4
matchbox2: yatta
]
;W[qf]
;B[jc]C[AndreAy [2k\]: yes
ArsMagica [5k\]: yes
icebucket [13k\]: B looks better at this exchange
Creslin [6k\]: Yes
partisan [6k\]: i did
octopus [1d\]: yes
FishOn [6k\]: yes
])
(;B[do]
;W[fp]
;B[cq]
;W[cr]
;B[cp]
;W[br]LB[ck:A][cl:B][br:C]C[Scribe [-\]: d5 is too early
Scribe [-\]: black should play c9 but white is there already
]
;B[cm])
(;B[qj])
(;B[pj]))
(;B[cb]C[Scribe [-\]: Homework !
]
;W[ba]
;B[db]
;W[bb]
;B[dc]
;W[cc]
;B[dd]
;W[cd]
;B[de]
;W[ce]
;B[cf]
;W[bf]
;B[bg]
;W[bi]
;B[cg]
;W[di]TR[bi][di]C[babukun [2d\]: A16
partisan [6k\]: is this from last week?
partisan [6k\]: or t
etl3 [?\]: White is dead
Truc [4k?\]: black can kill
BeSai [13k\]: b15
babukun [2d\]: a16 i think
partisan [6k\]: a16 looks vital
etl3 [?\]: not hard
etl3 [?\]: A16 kills
Principe [-\]: a16 is ko i think
Akamaru [3d\]: ko
xushibagua [6k\]: a15?
]
;B[rc]
;W[rb]C[icebucket [13k\]: its a ko.  White will try to kill C group
]
;B[rd]
;W[sb]
;B[qd]
;W[qc]
;B[pd]
;W[pc]
;B[od]
;W[oc]
;B[nc]
;W[nb]
;B[mc]
;W[]
;B[mb]
;W[]
;B[kb]TR[bi]C[FishOn [6k\]: b dead 
FishOn [6k\]: white dead
etl3 [?\]: I found the ko
FishOn [6k\]: no
phoung [12k\]: white is live if he go first i think
]
;W[]C[xushibagua [6k\]: thanks
Principe [-\]: no
etl3 [?\]: nope
partisan [6k\]: no
agui [4k\]: no 
TotoroShan [2k\]: no
onemove [2k\]: no
Snowman8 [-\]: i have one
Creslin [6k\]: I have a question about shusaku opening
icebucket [13k\]: no homework for next week?
etl3 [?\]: I have one
AndreAy [2k\]: which one?
Snowman8 [-\]: no i havent
Snowman8 [-\]: u must be thinking of someone else
Snowman8 [-\]: lol
Snowman8 [-\]: my question doesnt so much pertain to this
Snowman8 [-\]: so i can ask later
icebucket [13k\]: snowman keep rolling.
Principe [-\]: ^_^
etl3 [?\]: revert to empty board
Creslin [6k\]: Me
partisan [6k\]: i have a question
AndreAy [2k\]: I have a question
etl3 [?\]: I do
Creslin [6k\]: About shusaku opening [pleasse?
etl3 [?\]: I have one
icebucket [13k\]: parti-san
Grindel [10k\]: cres Lin 
partisan [6k\]: thx
]
(;B[pa]C[BeSai [13k\]: hihi like i said :D
]
;W[ob]
;B[na]C[BeSai [13k\]: oucyes
Principe [-\]: yes
]
;W[oa]C[FishOn [6k\]: center of 3
]
;B[qb]C[Scribe [-\]: white is dead in gote
]
;W[ma]
;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: white can not approach
]
;W[ra]
;B[sc])
(;B[ob]
;W[pb]
;B[na]
;W[pa])
(;B[ad]
;W[be]C[etl3 [?\]: oh, ok.
]
(;B[af]
;W[ae]
;B[bc]
;W[ag]
;B[ah]
;W[bh]C[FishOn [6k\]: ko
etl3 [?\]: that's wrong way, A14 was wrong
Akamaru [3d\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: white outside stones create ko
Sjoerd [2k\]: yes
etl3 [?\]: Not A14, A15
etl3 [?\]: play A15 instead of A14.
matchbox2: ^_^
])
(;B[ae]C[etl3 [?\]: Yes.
Scribe [-\]: key moveto prevent ko
]
;W[af]
;B[bc]TR[bi]C[Snowman8 [-\]: ahhh i see
etl3 [?\]: I have a question though
blubb [1k\]: nice :)
FishOn [6k\]: nice
Scribe [-\]: this is the way to play
]
;W[]
;B[pa]
(;W[ob]
;B[oa]
;W[na]
;B[qb])
(;W[oa]
;B[qb]
;W[ob])))
(;B[af]
;W[ad])
(;B[ae]
;W[ad]
;B[bd]
;W[be]C[phoung [12k\]: i think white is still dead
]
;B[ac]
;W[bc]C[etl3 [?\]: alive
Grindel [10k\]: a18 is one eye 
]))
(;AW[dp]AB[dc][qp]C[icebucket [13k\]: lol
xushibagua [6k\]: :)
Grindel [10k\]: :)
Principe [-\]: par -te -san
Kamisama [6k\]: haha :)
partisan [6k\]: no sonst matter
partisan [6k\]: dosnt
]
;B[sa]C[Grindel [10k\]: shasaku 
]
;W[de]
;B[ce]
;W[cf]
;B[cd]
;W[fq]C[partisan [6k\]: sorry
icebucket [13k\]: ack!
partisan [6k\]: here if d4 is black
]
;AB[dp]TR[df][fq]C[AndreAy [2k\]: What is t19 doing?
partisan [6k\]: w plays first here?
partisan [6k\]: right?
icebucket [13k\]: t19 is resting.
partisan [6k\]: and ignores the cut or?
partisan [6k\]: f3 first
partisan [6k\]: ca you explain ?
])
(;B[dc]
;W[de]C[Scribe [-\]: see 38 Basic Joseki
]
;B[ce]
;W[cf]
;B[cd]C[au2 [1d\]: this is popular recently
]
;W[]
;B[dp]C[partisan [6k\]: ok
Kamisama [6k\]: what happens if black ignores f3 and simply cuts? is that not a worser result 
partisan [6k\]: but theres a cut!
]
(;W[fq]C[Kamisama [6k\]: /
blubb [1k\]: so, those two w stones are just meant to creat aji?
xushibagua [6k\]: yep
partisan [6k\]: its fine thx a lot!
octopus [1d\]: but if w plays d13 b is not forced to answer at f17
Grindel [10k\]: i have a question about shusaku 
Grindel [10k\]: okay 
]
(;B[cn]C[partisan [6k\]: but wouldnt b cut? d14 after f3?
]
(;W[df]
;B[fc]
;W[cj])
(;W[dg]
;B[fc]
;W[ck]C[babukun [2d\]: instead c6 black can play c7 no?
]))
(;B[cm]
;W[df]
;B[fc]
;W[cj]C[babukun [2d\]: hm
])
(;B[df]C[Scribe [-\]: black is better in left top but black has one more stone
]
(;W[cn]C[partisan [6k\]: ok ^^
])
(;W[cg]
;B[ef]
;W[cj]LB[gd:B][ge:A]TR[dc][cd][ce][de][cf][df][ef][cg][cj]C[partisan [6k\]: ah ok nice
]
(;B[pp]
;W[nq]
;B[qn]
;W[pr]
;B[qq]
;W[kq]
;B[pd]
;W[qf]
;B[nd]
;W[rd]
;B[qc]
;W[qi]
;B[jc])
(;B[cn]))))
(;W[df]
;B[fc]
;W[cj]
;B[cl]LB[ch:A])
(;W[dg]C[butterdish: what if W just plays f3 before approaching top left
]
;B[fc]
;W[ck]
;B[cm]LB[ch:A]C[etl3 [?\]: Then black plays C7.
Scribe [-\]: c7 is good move
Raithan [6k\]: interesting
Scribe [-\]: easy to invade at c12
partisan [6k\]: ok
FishOn [6k\]: c12 invasion
]
;W[]
;B[ch]
;W[bg]LB[cm:A][cn:B]C[Scribe [-\]: so c7 is sente
Grindel [10k\]: if white leaves the joseki early then black is weaker in the top 
]
(;B[dj]C[Scribe [-\]: white needs to defend
])
(;B[bj])))
(;B[qd])
(;B[pd]C[partisan [6k\]: hope the problem wasnt boring for you all :)
]
;W[qf]
;B[qd]C[blubb [1k\]: please do NOT tell any solution attempts for now
]
(;W[oc]
;B[od]
;W[nc]
;B[nd]
;W[mb]
;B[mc]
;W[]
;B[lc]
;W[nb]
;B[lb]
;W[jc]C[agui [4k\]: No partisan, very interesting
blubb [1k\]: otherwise it again won't be homework anymore 
])
(;W[kc]
;B[mc])
(;W[jc]
;B[mc]
;W[oc]
;B[od]
;W[nc]
(;B[mb]C[etl3 [?\]: It was nice problem, I heard it first from Guo Juan
])
(;B[nd]
;W[mb]
;B[lb]
;W[nb]
;B[lc]
;W[qb]C[Scribe [-\]: Homework !
Scribe [-\]: How can Black attack White
Truc [4k?\]: someone put it on goproblems.com a while ago too
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi
Principe [-\]: thx
au2 [1d\]: THANK YOU
butterdish: ok thanks!
Creslin [6k\]: Thank you very much for your time
blubb [1k\]: xiexie
AndreAy [2k\]: Thanks for the lesson
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
Homefry [13k\]: Thank
octopus [1d\]: thank you
sheeryjay [5k\]: thanks
TotoroShan [2k\]: thanks a lot
aleph0 [-\]: thx
xushibagua [6k\]: xie xie jiang laoshi
AkiraTohya [-\]: thx
kagen [18k\]: thankyou
agui [4k\]: Thank you very much !
au2 [1d\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
etl3 [?\]: Thank you
Winters [4k\]: thanks
ja [4k\]: thank you
au2 [1d\]: Thanks to Scribe
lupis [4k\]: thank you
AndreAy [2k\]: cu
]))))
