(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[7.00]TM[3600]OT[25/600 Canadian]
DT[2006-11-26]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Scribe [-\]: Nihao Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi
etl3 [?\]: Laoshi hao. Zaoshang hao.
Scribe [-\]: Fine thank you
thoel [?\]: hello
sprang [-\]: hello
Nezrif [5k\]: hi
grumpfl [7k\]: fine thanks
Scribe [-\]: Happy to see you today
]
(;B[qd]
;W[od]C[Scribe [-\]: Joseki
]
;B[ld]C[Scribe [-\]: What has many choices after the Black pincer
]
(;W[qe]
(;B[re]C[Monkagu [-\]: Oh, sorry, I missed the past
icebucket [11k\]: \\o/  yay!
]
;W[pe]C[Monkagu [-\]: I mean: B is not good as A :)
]
(;B[rf]C[Scribe [-\]: black s14 prevents the white cutting antics
Slarty [-\]: there are joseki with S14 which he showed earlier
]
;W[qc]
(;B[rc]
;W[pd]
;B[rd]
;W[ph]
;B[qb]C[Scribe [-\]: black takes the corner
Scribe [-\]: white takes sente
])
(;B[rd]
;W[oc]C[Scribe [-\]: somewhat better than before for white, previously white did not have eyespace, now white does have eyespace on the side and possible to take the corner, black m16 is floating
]
(;B[qh]C[shuuin [6k\]: bad for white?
]
;W[lb]
;B[cp]
;W[ep]
;B[hp]
;W[co]
;B[bo]
;W[do]
;B[bn]
;W[cq]
;B[bq]
;W[dp]
;B[bp]C[shuuin [6k\]: A attack m16
]
;W[dl]
;B[cr]LB[kg:A][gl:B]C[butterdish: a
etl3 [?\]: I like a
Nezrif [5k\]: white stronger?
etl3 [?\]: better shape
Monkagu [-\]: B
Scribe [-\]: white shape at A is better but A is gote
])
(;B[pg])
(;B[qi])))
(;B[qf]C[Scribe [-\]: white can cut
blitzme [1k\]: s 16
Monkagu [-\]: I often see w cuts at s16
Scribe [-\]: o17 is sente move in the variations after white q17
Monkagu [-\]: If he doesn't allow w cut, perhaps it's better?
etl3 [?\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: black must check the ladder before the hane at r14
]
(;W[rd]C[Monkagu [-\]: Shall b s14 instead?
]
;B[rc]
;W[rf]
;B[sd]C[Scribe [-\]: corner is smallish
]
(;W[qg]C[shuuin [6k\]: this is good for white
Scribe [-\]: if the ladder is good
Monkagu [-\]: IF the ladder doesn't good for w, shall he cut?
Scribe [-\]: black sealed in corner
imdark [10k\]: intersting
]
(;B[pf])
(;B[]
;W[pc]
;B[qc]))
(;W[rg]
;B[pg]
;W[pc]
;B[qc]))
(;W[rf]
(;B[rg]
;W[rd]
;B[sf]
;W[qc]
(;B[pf]
;W[of]
;B[og]
;W[nf]
;B[ng]C[Monkagu [-\]: R14 is joseki, But how to deal with s14?
]
;W[mf]C[Scribe [-\]: its a joseki
shuuin [6k\]: yeah
thoel [?\]: no
Monkagu [-\]: The point is: Why b plays r14 but not s14?
icebucket [11k\]: no. but just feel a bit early to fight in a single corner
Scribe [-\]: proper when the ladder is not good for white
]
(;B[hc])
(;B[rc]
(;W[sd]
;B[pc]
;W[pd]C[Scribe [-\]: dont forget this aji
]
;B[qb]
;W[qd]
;B[oc]
;W[nc]
;B[nb]
;W[mc]
;B[mb]
;W[lc]
;B[rb])
(;W[pd]
;B[sd])))
(;B[sd]
;W[rc]
;B[nc]
;W[oc]
;B[nb]
;W[]
;B[pb]
;W[ob]
;B[oa]
(;W[qb]
;B[pc]
;W[pa])
(;W[pc]
;B[qb]
;W[pa]
;B[qa]
;W[ra])))
(;B[rd]
;W[rg]LB[pc:A]C[Scribe [-\]: cut outside to take the corner when the ladder is bad
Scribe [-\]: q17 attacks the black corner
]
;B[]
;W[pc]
(;B[qc]
;W[pb]
;B[qb]LB[pd:A]
;W[nc])
(;B[qb]
;W[qc]
;B[rc]
;W[pb]
;B[qa]
;W[nc]C[Monkagu [-\]: t18 ^^
]))))
(;B[rc]C[Scribe [-\]: errro
etl3 [?\]: how does white punish black?
etl3 [?\]: ok, that's all
]
;W[rf]C[etl3 [?\]: ok.
Scribe [-\]: error by black to play s17
imdark [10k\]: yo
hikaru834 [13k\]: errrr
llaume [?\]: butterdish ?
seidelin [2k\]: maybe he left
au2 [1d\]: I have a fuseki question
hikaru834 [13k\]: maybe he went to the bathroom
]
;B[qf]C[Scribe [-\]: black lost a lot on the outside
]
;W[se]
;B[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: error by black
]
;W[rg]C[etl3 [?\]: oh, ok
]
;B[]
;W[pc]
;B[pd]
;W[oe]
;B[oc]
;W[nc]
;B[ob]
;W[md]C[etl3 [?\]: ahh
etl3 [?\]: ok.
]))
(;B[pe]))
(;W[of])
(;W[pg])
(;W[og])
(;W[ph])
(;W[pf]))
(;B[pd]
(;W[dp]C[Scribe [-\]: Game between 
]
(;B[qp]C[Scribe [-\]: ???
Xanthus [2d\]: looks like a shoulder hit to corner enclosure now ;)
]
;W[dc]
(;B[df]
;W[ce]C[etl3 [?\]: joseki
]
(;B[fq]C[shuuin [6k\]: e6
Scribe [-\]: better for white, the corner is big after black c14 variation
]
(;W[cn])
(;W[cf]))
(;B[cf]
;W[de]
;B[ef]
;W[ee]
;B[ff]
;W[gd]
;B[cl]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
]))
(;B[fq]
(;W[ce]
;B[df]
;W[cf]
;B[cn]C[etl3 [?\]: White F4
blitzme [1k\]: d6
]
(;W[eo]
;B[cq]C[Scribe [-\]: hard for white to play at this point
Vanya [3k?\]: i see
Vanya [3k?\]: thanks
Jadeite [?\]: Hendrix because B tenuki that corner 
]
(;W[dq]C[shuuin [6k\]: c4 beyyer
]
;B[cp]TR[cf]C[icebucket [11k\]: ewww... for W
etl3 [?\]: bad for white
shuuin [6k\]: bad
Vanya [3k?\]: good for b
shuuin [6k\]: for white
shuuin [6k\]: yeah
])
(;W[cp]C[vondutch [2k\]: yes, is d12 later viable for black?
]
;B[dq]
;W[go]C[etl3 [?\]: feels better
shuuin [6k\]: better
Monkagu [-\]: Good for w 
Scribe [-\]: better choice for white
]
;B[ep]
;W[do]
;B[hp]
;W[ho]C[shuuin [6k\]: c6 lonely
Scribe [-\]: this is the correct direction of play
]
;B[ip]TR[cf][df]
(;W[dj]LB[de:C][cf:B][df:A]C[Scribe [-\]: c14/d14 exchange was bad for white
etl3 [?\]: this makes black a a good move
Monkagu [-\]: besides, centre is for everyone :-)
etl3 [?\]: yes
icebucket [11k\]: yes
TotoroShan [2k\]: yes
shuuin [6k\]: clear
])
(;W[di]
;B[dk]C[icebucket [11k\]: live
Monkagu [-\]: because influence is easy to break ^^
shuuin [6k\]: white takes center
]))
(;W[op]
;B[lp]
;W[qo]
;B[ro]
;W[po]
(;B[qn]C[shuuin [6k\]: ladder
seidelin [2k\]: S4
hansb [1k\]: good for white
Xanthus [2d\]: s4 
Morten [1d?\]: S6
etl3 [?\]: S6
ThomA [9k\]: s4
butterdish: s6
shuuin [6k\]: s4
Scribe [-\]: ladder determine which cut s4 or s6
Vanya [3k?\]: s4 
thoel [?\]: S4
vondutch [2k\]: s4
Hendrix [1k\]: s6
hownowbcow [7k\]: s4
TotoroShan [2k\]: S4
shuuin [6k\]: feeling is better
Monkagu [-\]: Take a glass of water, you're tired, mingjui
]
(;W[rp]C[vondutch [2k\]: shuuin: read on, d17 stone continues the ladder
Scribe [-\]: e17 is false ladder break....like false eye
shuuin [6k\]: i don't like read
llaume [?\]: what is s6 ?
]
;B[rq]
;W[rn]
;B[sp]
;W[qm]
;B[ec]
;W[dd]C[Zioh [6k\]: still good
vondutch [2k\]: good for whtie
TotoroShan [2k\]: still good for white no ?
Vanya [3k?\]: still good for white
llaume [?\]: white
etl3 [?\]: good for white
shuuin [6k\]: black
]
;B[pn]
;W[on]C[shuuin [6k\]: e17 ladder break
]
;B[pm]
;W[pl]C[Xanthus [2d\]: it's not :)
Xanthus [2d\]: a ladder break
Xanthus [2d\]: y
shuuin [6k\]: ^^
])
(;W[rn]C[Scribe [-\]: white played here ?!
]
;B[rm]C[Scribe [-\]: wrong move
]
;W[rp]
;B[sn]
;W[qq]C[shuuin [6k\]: s6 is bad
Grimley [2k\]: t4
galaad33 [18k\]: s3
Grimley [2k\]: (its difficult to guess bad moves)
Grimley [2k\]: oh lol
Scribe [-\]: s6 is not bad...only bad in this case
vondutch [2k\]: rotfl ^^
seiryu1234 [7k\]: he can "view offline" and check the next move
Grimley [2k\]: no just trying to guess a bad move:)
]
(;B[pn]LB[no:A]
;W[on]
;B[om]
;W[nn]
(;B[nm]
;W[mn]C[shuuin [6k\]: no way
]
(;B[ip]C[yithril [2k\]: great for b
galaad33 [18k\]: good for black
Scribe [-\]: black outside works well with m4 and q16
ThomA [9k\]: i like black
])
(;B[rq]C[vondutch [2k\]: almost feels unfair to white
]
(;W[pp]
;B[sp]C[Scribe [-\]: aji for black
shuuin [6k\]: r4 better
])
(;W[sp]
;B[pq]
;W[pp]
;B[qr]
;W[qp]
;B[oq]
;W[nq]
;B[nr]C[etl3 [?\]: whoa
]
;W[mq]
;B[mr]
;W[lq]
;B[rr]C[etl3 [?\]: crazy...
Scribe [-\]: black lies in corner
Scribe [-\]: white cries
]))
(;B[sp]
;W[rq]C[Scribe [-\]: bad sente move....t4
vondutch [2k\]: aji keshi
Scribe [-\]: black  lost lot of aji
Jadeite [?\]: no q's
shuuin [6k\]: yeh
etl3 [?\]: I couldn't even tell there was so much there...
icebucket [11k\]: no question. waiting for puzzles. :D
]))
(;B[rq]))
(;B[sp]C[Grimley [2k\]: hehe
vondutch [2k\]: we kyus just know bad style better than pros do ^^
shuuin [6k\]: no point
etl3 [?\]: seiryu, this isn't a premade sgf
Grimley [2k\]: i'm good at guessing bad moves
shuuin [6k\]: but sente
etl3 [?\]: haha
Hurameshi [9k\]: we know man..
]
;W[rq]LB[rq:A]C[hansb [1k\]: Q6
Hurameshi [9k\]: n3 
etl3 [?\]: P7?
HngryHippo [5k\]: o3
shuuin [6k\]: mingjiu likes black
Hurameshi [9k\]: after!!
hikaru834 [13k\]: j4
Vanya [3k?\]: n17 
Hurameshi [9k\]: Bo3 
Hurameshi [9k\]: oh :)
]
(;B[pn]
;W[on]
;B[om]
;W[nn]
;B[nm]
;W[mn])
(;B[nq]
;W[oq]
;B[nr]C[vondutch [2k\]: was there any question about white's life then?!
icebucket [11k\]: yes this looks better for B
Jadeite [?\]: makw opponent strong before attacking?
shuuin [6k\]: yeh bad for white
shuuin [6k\]: nono
Hurameshi [9k\]: p2 
]
(;W[]TR[nq][nr]
;B[om]
;W[]
;B[no]C[shuuin [6k\]: tsumego?
icebucket [11k\]: no
etl3 [?\]: no...
Vanya [3k?\]: not in this corner
Hendrix [1k\]: ko?
Zelda23 [7k\]: no
ThomA [9k\]: no
etl3 [?\]: no ko...
Damir [2k\]: looks alive
]
;W[]
;B[pr]
;W[or]
;B[os]
(;W[pq]C[TotoroShan [2k\]: he can kill i think
]
;B[qr]C[shuuin [6k\]: dead
Vanya [3k?\]: q1 
etl3 [?\]: S2
shuuin [6k\]: ^^
]
;W[ps]
;B[qs]
;W[rs]C[etl3 [?\]: ko?
etl3 [?\]: o_o
Vanya [3k?\]: ko
shuuin [6k\]: s2
])
(;W[qr]
;B[pq]C[icebucket [11k\]: B T3, white alive
]
(;W[pp]C[TotoroShan [2k\]: false eye
]
;B[ps])
(;W[ps]C[ljl [3d?\]: what if you start with r1
]
;B[qs]
;W[rs]C[shuuin [6k\]: alive
etl3 [?\]: alive
Hendrix [1k\]: t3?
vondutch [2k\]: q4
]
;B[sq]C[Slarty [-\]: that's a new trick
]
;W[pp]C[vondutch [2k\]: :)
Hendrix [1k\]: hmmm :9
])))
(;W[pm]
;B[qk]
;W[jp]C[Hurameshi [9k\]: k3 why not?
shuuin [6k\]: k4 good
])
(;W[om]
;B[pl]C[Hurameshi [9k\]: No sure
]
;W[ol]C[etl3 [?\]: ooh
]
(;B[ok]
(;W[pk]
;B[pj]
;W[qk]
;B[qj])
(;W[nk]C[Scribe [-\]: good enough to play at q7 rather than p7
]
;B[oj]))
(;B[pk]C[shuuin [6k\]: bad
Hurameshi [9k\]: i say that
shuuin [6k\]: k4 to save e5
]
(;W[jq]C[Hurameshi [9k\]: good!
Vanya [3k?\]: k4 
Hurameshi [9k\]: h2 
Scribe [-\]: too deep
]
(;B[kq]
;W[jp]C[Hurameshi [9k\]: hew can
]
;B[ln]C[Hurameshi [9k\]: k6 
])
(;B[jp]
;W[ip]
;B[jo]
;W[kq]
;B[no]
;W[pn]
;B[pm]
(;W[nn]
;B[lq]
;W[io]
;B[jn]
(;W[dq]
;B[cp]C[Scribe [-\]: black should play d5 before playing d2
]
(;W[em]C[shuuin [6k\]: bad for black
Scribe [-\]: now white position on bottom is improved
llaume [?\]: what level ?
galaad33 [18k\]: lol no way
shuuin [6k\]: e4 big^^
]
(;B[dr]
;W[er]C[imdark [10k\]: sorry to intervere like this but i didnt have a chanse to see the the class 
]
;B[cr]C[shuuin [6k\]: 30kyu
]
;W[eq]LB[do:C][jp:B][jq:A]C[Scribe [-\]: wrong order of play by black
Scribe [-\]: playing d2 before d5 was played
shuuin [6k\]: no^^
ThomA [9k\]: no
shuuin [6k\]: no
Grimley [2k\]: question about k3
mandark [2d\]: after d5, what is w best move?
Grimley [2k\]: when white plays k4 black can still play l3
shuuin [6k\]: e4 it's seems
Grimley [2k\]: if white plays k4 instead of k3 what if black plays l3?
Grimley [2k\]: hmz :(
mandark [2d\]: yes
]
;B[do]
;W[ep])
(;B[do]C[vondutch [2k\]: what's correct response by white?
shuuin [6k\]: e3 now?
Grimley [2k\]: e4 is correct
]
(;W[ep]
(;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[cr])
(;B[dl]LB[jp:A]C[mandark [2d\]: yes
imdark [10k\]: and i wanted to know whan will thare be anther one
mandark [2d\]: ok e4 is best?
Grimley [2k\]: if white plays k4 instead of k3 what if black plays l3?
Grimley [2k\]: that was the question
mandark [2d\]: hi
butterdish: hello
ThomA [9k\]: hello
icebucket [11k\]: yes
etl3 [?\]: I have a joseki question
butterdish: I have short non-joseki - only 3 moves!
]))
(;W[eq]
;B[dl])))
(;W[dm]))
(;W[cp]
;B[dq]))
(;W[lq]C[Scribe [-\]: sente
])))
(;W[jp]C[Hurameshi [9k\]: no
]
;B[ln]
;W[lq]C[Hurameshi [9k\]: lol
]))))
(;B[cp]C[etl3 [?\]: ooh
]))))
(;B[rn])))
(;W[fp]C[shuuin [6k\]: don't know
]
;B[gp]C[Scribe [-\]: touch stronger stone to gain strength before attacking the weaker stone
]
;W[fo]
;B[cq]
;W[eq]
;B[cp]
;W[gq]LB[cl:A]
;B[]C[Hendrix [1k\]: how should b answer c8? =)
Monkagu [-\]: Looks better for w
etl3 [?\]: ahh
shuuin [6k\]: you're right mingjiusan
]
(;W[cl]LB[bo:A]TR[fo]C[Scribe [-\]: white has good follow up at c8
shuuin [6k\]: okay
])
(;W[]
;B[ck]LB[cf:B][df:A]C[Monkagu [-\]: sensei is always right, :D
vondutch [2k\]: but then white nice p4 etc?
TotoroShan [2k\]: y
Vanya [3k?\]: what about e5?
Grimley [2k\]: he already told about e5
Vanya [3k?\]: sorry
vondutch [2k\]: so this result is ok for white?
shuuin [6k\]: don't worry about it
Hendrix [1k\]: why is there a lonely black stone at d14? ;)
]
;W[oq]))
(;W[dn]C[shuuin [6k\]: better
etl3 [?\]: White f4
Jadeite [?\]: f4 
Vanya [3k?\]: f4 
Myshkin [8k\]: f4
seidelin [2k\]: F4
ThomA [9k\]: f4
ljl [3d?\]: d6?
]
;B[dm]
;W[en]C[shuuin [6k\]: d6
]
;B[cq]
;W[co]
;B[dq]
;W[cm]C[icebucket [11k\]: helps B settle
]))
(;W[cn])))
(;B[pq]
;W[dc]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[jp]LB[dc:C][dd:D][pn:B][qn:A]C[seidelin [2k\]: he want to know why white play so fare from black
jerkovicj [2d?\]: 5 
hikaru834 [13k\]: no he means between q5 r5
au2 [1d\]: No, Q5 or R5
areal [4k?\]: r5 ?
icebucket [11k\]: 1 sec.     Question is between R6 vs Q5  which is better.
hikaru834 [13k\]: no it's between r6 and q5 r5
seidelin [2k\]: I think it is to good for black get pincer when white play q5 or r5
etl3 [?\]: It's the same answer I think.
jerkovicj [2d?\]: this was not the question
Grimley [2k\]: yes q5 is not so good because the pincer is too good for black because of the k4 stone
etl3 [?\]: You can't say r6 is better or worse than r5 or q5
imdark [10k\]: if so i neeed to learn all joski to realy get that concept
hikaru834 [13k\]: ....mingjiu this was not the question
jerkovicj [2d?\]: W r5 why not good?
Grimley [2k\]: i'm going to learn chinese, then it's easier for me to ask the questions i want to ask:)
hikaru834 [13k\]: r6 better than r5 or q5? that was the question
hikaru834 [13k\]: if i had a chinese client i would type in chinese
Grimley [2k\]: :)
vondutch [2k\]: Q5 is often noted as being bad, but I believe I saw a game of Matthew vs Bei Ge where he played Q5
]
(;W[qn]C[Monkagu [-\]: mostly seen in 8d game ^^
au2 [1d\]: question why is R6 better than q5 or r5
areal [4k?\]: white r5 
])
(;W[pn]C[Monkagu [-\]: B makes Kobayashi shape, and we shouldn't appoach near, right?
Logox [5k\]: q5 he means
]
;B[qo])))
(;W[qf]
;B[]
;W[nc]
;B[oe]
;W[qc]
;B[pc]
;W[qd]
;B[og]
(;W[pb]
;B[ob]
;W[qb]
;B[oc])
(;W[pe]
;B[od]
;W[pb]
;B[ob]
;W[qb])))
(;B[qb]C[hikaru834 [13k\]: mingjiu you could speak in chinese :P
]
;W[pb]
;B[rd]
;W[pd]C[shuuin [6k\]: okay
]
;B[se]
;W[ob]
;B[qa]
;W[qe]C[butcher [3k?\]: which move is the best?
]
(;AW[pf][rf][sf]LB[sb:E][qc:A][rc:B][qd:C][sd:D][re:F]C[vondutch [2k\]: But I may be wrong
icebucket [11k\]: hmm... I think we did this one last week.
Grimley [2k\]: q5 should be bad yes
imdark [10k\]: the closer onethast is a good shape for w
shuuin [6k\]: i know that
HngryHippo [5k\]: 5?
shuuin [6k\]: why not
imdark [10k\]: man i hate lags
shuuin [6k\]: 4 maybe
etl3 [?\]: 6?
etl3 [?\]: I got 6...
ljl [3d?\]: two
ThomA [9k\]: 4
Slarty [-\]: 6ish
shuuin [6k\]: s15 works
shuuin [6k\]: s17too
ljl [3d?\]: 4
etl3 [?\]: 6
butterdish: I think 5 or 6 
sestir [3d\]: 6
etl3 [?\]: R17, S17, R16, T16, T18, S15
shuuin [6k\]: better is too kill with beuty 
shuuin [6k\]: beauty
ljl [3d?\]: n
etl3 [?\]: no
etl3 [?\]: B yes
shuuin [6k\]: yeah
ThomA [9k\]: yes
imdark [10k\]: t17?
Slarty [-\]: T17, S18
butterdish: S18
butterdish: T17 = ko
shindou01 [12k\]: audio playing
etl3 [?\]: oops
Hendrix [1k\]: bent four in the corner?
shindou01 [12k\]: ahhhhhhhhh
shindou01 [12k\]: i hurts me
etl3 [?\]: I messed up
butterdish: B kills
shindou01 [12k\]: that audio player
etl3 [?\]: Yeah, I better go do pushups
hikaru834 [13k\]: hahaha 10 push ups
shuuin [6k\]: lol
shuuin [6k\]: bent four? no way
etl3 [?\]: Yeah, it was bent four.
shuuin [6k\]: ^^
etl3 [?\]: haha
]
(;B[]C[shuuin [6k\]: or still dead^^
Monkagu [-\]: Yes, it's right
]
(;W[qc]
;B[rc]C[etl3 [?\]: T18
]
;W[sb]C[butterdish: t18
]
;B[rb]C[ljl [3d?\]: t18
]
;W[sa]
;B[re]C[ThomA [9k\]: t 18
]
;W[sc]C[imdark [10k\]: ski
])
(;W[rc]C[butterdish: dead
shindou01 [12k\]: ey
shindou01 [12k\]: the sound
etl3 [?\]: haha, that one's wrong...
]
;B[qc]C[hikaru834 [13k\]: i don't think it does
etl3 [?\]: ko
butterdish: s18
etl3 [?\]: 20?!
etl3 [?\]: no ko?
]
;W[rb]C[etl3 [?\]: aww
etl3 [?\]: oooh...
]
(;B[sb]C[etl3 [?\]: 20 pushups...
]
(;W[sc]
;B[ra])
(;W[ra]C[etl3 [?\]: yes
pel [4k\]: ten more? ;-)
]))
(;B[sc]
;W[re])
(;B[ra]
;W[sb]
;B[sc]
;W[re]C[etl3 [?\]: dead
ThomA [9k\]: dead
]))
(;W[qd]C[etl3 [?\]: dead
shuuin [6k\]: dead
shuuin [6k\]: r17
etl3 [?\]: Black is dead
shuuin [6k\]: or t18
ThomA [9k\]: dead
shuuin [6k\]: ko
Monkagu [-\]: Dead is not very, it's absolute
]
(;B[qc]C[etl3 [?\]: t18
shuuin [6k\]: dead T_T
butterdish: t18
imdark [10k\]: ko
shuuin [6k\]: ^^
]
;W[re]C[shuuin [6k\]: haha
shuuin [6k\]: s17
]
;B[sc]C[Monkagu [-\]: t18
etl3 [?\]: this is dead
]
;W[rb]C[seidelin [2k\]: black T18 first...
])
(;B[sc]
;W[qc]
;B[rc]
;W[re]C[etl3 [?\]: no
Monkagu [-\]: stupid b ^^
shuuin [6k\]: no way
])
(;B[sb]
;W[rc]C[imdark [10k\]: lol
])
(;B[rc]
(;W[re]C[shuuin [6k\]: no solution
]
;B[sb])
(;W[sb]C[etl3 [?\]: dead
etl3 [?\]: bent four
]))
(;B[rb]C[etl3 [?\]: T19
Monkagu [-\]: t17?
etl3 [?\]: err
etl3 [?\]: T17
]
(;W[sc]
;B[rc]C[jergarmar [3k?\]: s17 enough, right?
etl3 [?\]: err
])
(;W[rc]
;B[qc])
(;W[re]C[etl3 [?\]: S15
]
;B[qc]
;W[sc]C[shuuin [6k\]: very dead
etl3 [?\]: ahh...
])))
(;W[sd]C[shuuin [6k\]: mingjiu says very dead
etl3 [?\]: this is dead
Monkagu [-\]: b makes a pass???
etl3 [?\]: yes
]
(;B[sc]
;W[qc])
(;B[qc]
;W[re])
(;B[sb]
;W[re]C[etl3 [?\]: right
]))
(;W[sb]C[shuuin [6k\]: dead
butterdish: dead
etl3 [?\]: dead
]
;B[rb]C[butterdish: t19
shuuin [6k\]: how to live here
Monkagu [-\]: s15
shuuin [6k\]: t17
shindou01 [12k\]: finally the audio playing works good
Damir [2k\]: t19 
shindou01 [12k\]: it gave me a schock
etl3 [?\]: T19
ThomA [9k\]: t17
]
(;W[sa]
;B[qc]
;W[sc]
;B[re]
;W[qd]C[etl3 [?\]: bent four
]
;B[rc])
(;W[sc]
;B[sa])
(;W[re]C[shuuin [6k\]: ko is good
]
;B[sa]))
(;W[re]C[etl3 [?\]: yes, this is dead
butterdish: and s18
etl3 [?\]: Yes!
shuuin [6k\]: 6ways
jergarmar [3k?\]: good job, etl3
sestir [3d\]: atleast :)
])
(;W[rb]C[etl3 [?\]: I messed up on B, I need to do pushups now... >_>
shuuin [6k\]: the way of killing
etl3 [?\]: T18
butterdish: dead 
]
;B[sb]C[shuuin [6k\]: s15
sestir [3d\]: s17
butterdish: s17
shuuin [6k\]: s17
]
;W[rc]C[Damir [2k\]: s17 
]
;B[qc]C[shuuin [6k\]: s19
etl3 [?\]: Ahh
]
;W[ra]C[butterdish: s19
etl3 [?\]: 7, darn..
vondutch [2k\]: maybe it would have been better to ask how many ways fail to kill black ^^
]))
(;B[cb]
;W[db]
;B[bd]C[Monkagu [-\]: oh, tenuki is the failed way, I see ^^
]
(;W[dc])
(;W[eb]
;B[ae]C[shuuin [6k\]: is it joseki, (lol)
]
;W[dd]
;AW[ce][af][bf][df]LB[ba:F][ca:C][ab:E][bb:B][bc:D][cc:A]
(;B[cc])
(;B[bb])
(;B[ab]C[etl3 [?\]: yes
shuuin [6k\]: is it the mirror game
etl3 [?\]: yes
])
(;B[ca]C[etl3 [?\]: yes
])
(;B[ba]C[etl3 [?\]: haha
Monkagu [-\]: a18
seidelin [2k\]: kill or live?
etl3 [?\]: how many ways?
Monkagu [-\]: 1 way: next week
etl3 [?\]: yep
]))))
(;AW[pf][rf][sf]LB[qa:B][ra:C][re:A]C[jergarmar [3k?\]: best is the simple way
seidelin [2k\]:  thank you mingjiu....good leason
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi
llaume [?\]: thx
Ender [7k\]: ty
butterdish: thanks for lesson 
Zioh [6k\]: thanks
Slarty [-\]: thank you Mingjiu
Winters [4k\]: thanks
ThomA [9k\]: thank you
MRei [3k?\]: thank you
AkiraTohya [-\]: thx
ljl [3d?\]: thx
silver2k4 [?\]: thx
brx [5k\]: thnak you
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to The Ing Goe Foundation
au2 [1d\]: Thank you
Damir [2k\]: thanks for lesson
Zark [1d\]: thx
butterdish: thanks to Scribe too!
Zelda23 [7k\]: thank you
Ornedan [11k?\]: Thank you
iPon [2k\]: thanks
hansili [4k\]: thank you
imdark [10k\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: bye bye
hilaire [6k?\]: thx
IgorR [1k\]: thx
iPon [2k\]: bye bye
shuho [12k\]: thanks
MRei [3k?\]: bye
butterdish: byebye
ThomA [9k\]: bye
au2 [1d\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
])))
