(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
DT[2006-10-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Reemul [7k\]: hi
guojuan [5p\]: Hi
hansili [5k\]: hi
Tarkam [?\]: Hi sensei
skywaalker [1k\]: hi
pinpingho [-\]: hello
murky: Hi, I couldn't get on for a while
murky: KGS
Catch22 [4k\]: Hello
blitzme [2k\]: hello:-))
guojuan [5p\]: yes 
rayen [1k\]: hi
rayen [1k\]: yes
skywaalker [1k\]: yes hello
Reemul [7k\]: yes i hear
Dakre [2d\]: yes, sound is good
Bodo212 [8k\]: I hear fine
murky: Hi, hear good
icebucket [11k\]: nope (-.-)
xevad [5k\]: I should have gone with first choice :/
]
(;B[pd]C[agui [5k\]: Hello , yes
]
(;W[dd]
;B[pp]
;W[dq]
;B[pj]
;W[co]C[MRei [?\]: hello
]
;B[cf]
;W[di]LB[cc:A][fc:C][fd:D][ef:B][eh:E]C[blitzme [2k\]: e 14
Catch22 [4k\]: E14?
nitram1 [2k\]: e14
skywaalker [1k\]: F17 
Wolf84 [14k\]: C17?
rayen [1k\]: f14 ?
rayen [1k\]: yes :)
murky: sought of
rayen [1k\]: ancient style :)
]
(;B[ff]C[blitzme [2k\]: too fast
Catch22 [4k\]: bad
mallow [-\]: thin
Catch22 [4k\]: because bottom left is white
agui [5k\]: thin
]
;W[fd]
;B[bd]
;W[cc]C[rayen [1k\]: :S
]
;B[bi]LB[ef:A][ff:B]C[rayen [1k\]: no
Reemul [7k\]: no
Scribe [-\]: not joseki
nitram1 [2k\]: if f14 at e14..
blitzme [2k\]: b
rayen [1k\]: b
Reemul [7k\]: F4
rayen [1k\]: b16 b11  doesnt make reason with f14 
agui [5k\]: F14
zee [6k\]: f14 is a mistake
rayen [1k\]: 'f14 is not the mistake imo
agui [5k\]: D14
Scribe [-\]: black is alive, white has poor shape
Scribe [-\]: f14 is the cause of black's problems here
]
(;W[df]
;B[dg]C[Scribe [-\]: how can white punish
rayen [1k\]: e13 
agui [5k\]: E14
]
;W[eg]C[goshane1 [9k\]: c13
]
;B[ef]
;W[de]
;B[cg]
;W[eh]
;B[cj]C[agui [5k\]: D9
skywaalker [1k\]: good for white
rayen [1k\]: good for w
agui [5k\]: for white
skywaalker [1k\]: san ren sei is bad now
pinpingho [-\]: even for me
]
;W[gg]C[Scribe [-\]: okay for black
]
;B[md]TR[ef][ff]C[Scribe [-\]: black is still able to use the sanrensei
Scribe [-\]: d14 right idea but needs preparation move at c12
])
(;W[ch]
;B[bh]
(;W[df]C[agui [5k\]: better
]
;B[cg]
;W[dg]C[Scribe [-\]: use c12 to prepare for d14
]
(;B[cj]
;W[md]C[Scribe [-\]: white got sente
])
(;B[md]C[agui [5k\]: yes
]
;W[ck]C[Scribe [-\]: black left side is much more limited
]))
(;W[cg]
;B[bg]
;W[df]
;B[ce]
;W[de]C[Scribe [-\]: much better result for white, no eye for black
]))
(;W[nc]TR[ff]C[Scribe [-\]: punish:  1. tenuki, 2. c12
]
(;B[ci]
;W[ce]C[Scribe [-\]: alternatively, white can tenuki
]
;B[be]
;W[df])
(;B[pf]
(;W[df]
;B[dg]
;W[ch])
(;W[ch]
;B[bh]
;W[cg]
;B[bg]
;W[df]
;B[ce])
(;W[kd]
(;B[hf]
;W[ch])
(;B[ci]
;W[df]
;B[dg]
;W[ce]C[Scribe [-\]: still bad shape for black
]))))
(;W[bj]C[Scribe [-\]: hard for black to fix his shape on the left
]
(;B[ci]
;W[cj]
;B[dh]
;W[ei]C[Scribe [-\]: game
rayen [1k\]: to good for b
agui [5k\]: good for black
pinpingho [-\]: good for w
lightstone [3k\]: bad shape for b
brook: fixes b shape
MXHero [2d\]: good for w
])
(;B[cj]
;W[ci]
;B[bk]
;W[bh]
;B[aj]
;W[cg]
;B[bf]
;W[df]
;B[bg]C[Vanya [5k?\]: yes
agui [5k\]: yes  thanks
nitram1 [2k\]: yep
Kaiu [6k\]: yes
winInMFC [7k\]: thanks
]
;W[ch]
;B[ah]C[Scribe [-\]: now white can split black on outside
winInMFC [7k\]: good 
winInMFC [7k\]: good for w
rayen [1k\]: no
jjermann [6k?\]: no, bad for white
Scribe [-\]: not good for white
winInMFC [7k\]: oh, i see
])))
(;B[ef]
;W[fd]
;B[bd]
;W[cc]
;B[bi]TR[bd][cf][ef]
(;W[bj]C[Scribe [-\]: black can make ko at a12
]
(;B[ci]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
]
;W[cj]
;B[dh]
;W[ei]LB[ef:A][ff:B])
(;B[cj]
;W[ci]
;B[bk]
;W[bh]
;B[aj]
;W[cg]
;B[bf]C[Scribe [-\]: correct followup to the joseki
Scribe [-\]: still hard for white to attack black
Scribe [-\]: good for black
]))
(;W[dg]
;B[df]
;W[bj]
;B[cj]
;W[bh]
;B[bk]
;W[bg]C[Scribe [-\]: a method for white
])))
(;W[dp]
;B[qp]
;W[dd]
;B[fq]
(;W[jp]
(;B[cq]
;W[dq]C[Scribe [-\]: white has two problems to fix, f3 stone and distance from p3 to k4
]
;B[cp]
;W[do]C[sockenbert [2k\]: o3 
]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[cr]
;W[eq]
;B[cn]
;W[oq]
;B[po]
(;W[fp]C[winInMFC [7k\]: too large, hard to handle ?
]
;B[kp]C[Rieju [10k?\]: nice and cruel
]
(;W[kq]
;B[lq]
;W[lp]C[Scribe [-\]: ladder
]
;B[ko]C[Scribe [-\]: ladder can go either way
]
(;W[mq]
;B[jq]
;W[lr]
;B[ip])
(;W[jq]
;B[mp]C[Scribe [-\]: ladder to right
GOldenSkua [10k\]: ok thank you
icebucket [11k\]: yay
]))
(;W[jq]
;B[np]C[birne [2d\]: should black do it right away or later?
Scribe [-\]: white forced low, at best
]))
(;W[mp]
;B[fo]))
(;B[cn]
;W[dn]
;B[dm]
;W[en]C[winInMFC [7k\]: i see
]
(;B[co]
;W[cp]LB[jp:A]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
winInMFC [7k\]: here w is smiling :P
]
(;B[gp]
;W[eq]
;B[er]
;W[fp]
;B[fr]
;W[dr]C[winInMFC [7k\]: oh, still bad for w
Scribe [-\]: this joseki is good for white due to k4 being on board already
hansb [2k\]: C2
]
;B[cr]C[Vanya [5k?\]: g6 
]
(;W[bp]
;B[ds]
;W[cm]TR[cn][co]C[Scribe [-\]: white kills two stones
xevad [5k\]: 2 stpne kill position look better...
])
(;W[es]
;B[cq]
;W[dq]
;B[bp]
;W[gq]
;B[fo]
;W[ep]C[jjermann [6k?\]: black has to fix 2 shapes, so one will suffer :(
]
;B[hq]
;W[gr]))
(;B[cj]
;W[eq]C[Bodo212 [8k\]: w
rayen [1k\]: w
Vanya [5k?\]: white
Scribe [-\]: white is better
butterdish: w
]
(;B[nq]
;W[qj]
;B[fp]
;W[do]C[Scribe [-\]: white is attacking black
]
;B[hp]
(;W[mp]C[Scribe [-\]: exchange is good for whtie
]
;B[mq]
;W[lq]
;B[np]C[Scribe [-\]: white helps black in this sequence
]
(;W[lp]C[Scribe [-\]: black lowre right corner is large
]
(;B[hn]C[Scribe [-\]: white is heavier than black
Scribe [-\]: balck must jump
Scribe [-\]: lest get enclosed
Scribe [-\]: white lost a lot
])
(;B[iq]C[Scribe [-\]: white attacks
]
(;W[in]C[Scribe [-\]: urgent
])
(;W[rp]
(;B[rq]
(;W[qq]C[winInMFC [7k\]: hmm
]
(;B[ro]
;W[pp]
;B[qo]
;W[rr]
;B[sp]
;W[pr]
;B[po]
;W[sr]C[Scribe [-\]: white is alive !
Vanya [5k?\]: seems terrible for both
]
;B[op]
;W[pq]
(;B[hn])
(;B[qh]
(;W[no]C[hansb [2k\]: O6
rayen [1k\]: o6 
rayen [1k\]: thank you move :)
]
(;B[nn]C[Scribe [-\]: tesuji !
]
;W[oo]
;B[mo])
(;B[oo]
;W[nn]C[Dakre [2d\]: 2d :)
rayen [1k\]: 2d ?
hansb [2k\]: 1dan?
celotaped [7k\]: :)
Vanya [5k?\]: around 1dan
ele [1d\]: 5k
icebucket [11k\]: 4K
icebucket [11k\]: 4d?
ele [1d\]: hehe
Scribe [-\]: 4d players
pinpingho [-\]: make sense
rayen [1k\]: :P
Dakre [2d\]: wow :>
jjermann [6k?\]: hehe
MXHero [2d\]: o.o
celotaped [7k\]: wao
hansb [2k\]: 4 dimensional go!
rayen [1k\]: so true
birne [2d\]: yes!
icebucket [11k\]: -.-
cyc [1d\]: true
MXHero [2d\]: ya
Vanya [5k?\]: sure
Reemul [7k\]: good go proverb
ele [1d\]: yeah, especially when someone smarter is making comments:)
GOldenSkua [10k\]: can you show the ladder?
Bodo212 [8k\]: thx - nice comments
sockenbert [2k\]: .
Hu [7k\]: The saying is "Hiindsight has 20/20 vision", meaning perfect eyesight when reviewing a game instead of playing it. ^^
]))
(;W[on])
(;W[pm])))
(;B[pq]
;W[ro]C[agui [5k\]: R5
]
;B[qr]))
(;W[ro]C[Scribe [-\]: r5 sente either way...dont give up stone
Scribe [-\]: good enough for white
]
;B[pq]C[Scribe [-\]: sente
]
;W[qq]))
(;B[ro]
;W[qq]
;B[pp]C[celotaped [7k\]: :)
Scribe [-\]: better way for black to play
]
;W[rr]
;B[qn]
;W[or]
;B[qh]C[Scribe [-\]: white lived, black attacks r10 stone
Vanya [5k?\]: invasion helps black to attack
]))))
(;W[mo]C[Scribe [-\]: must
hansb [2k\]: very slow 4 white
]))
(;W[jn]C[hansb [2k\]: black K2?
Scribe [-\]: correct move for whtie
Scribe [-\]: important move
]
;B[hn]
;W[dl]C[Scribe [-\]: tesuji !
]
(;B[em]
;W[cm]
;B[bm]
;W[cl]
;B[bl]C[Scribe [-\]: hard for black
]
;W[bp]
;B[bn]
;W[fm]
;B[el]
;W[dk]C[Scribe [-\]: fighting is good fro white
])
(;B[cl]
;W[em]
;B[cm]
;W[dk]
;B[ck]
;W[il]C[xevad [5k\]: :/
Scribe [-\]: attack
])))
(;B[fp]
;W[do])))
(;B[cq]
;W[co]
;B[dq]
;W[cm]C[Scribe [-\]: better choice for black
]
;B[cf]
;W[ch]
;B[ef]
;W[fd]
;B[di])))
(;W[hq]C[Scribe [-\]: normal move
])
(;W[cn]
;B[kq]C[Scribe [-\]: also normal
])))
(;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[fd]
;W[fc]
;B[gd]
;W[gc]
;B[he]
;W[hd]
;B[hf]
;W[ie]
;B[hg]
;W[if]
;B[hh]
;W[ig]
;B[de]
;W[dd]
;B[df]
(;W[eg]C[Catch22 [4k\]: I couldn't kill it :-(
])
(;W[ce]
;B[eg]
;W[cf]
;B[fg]C[Kaiu [6k\]: Was this our homework from last week ?
]
(;AB[dg]C[winInMFC [7k\]: Kaiu, yeah
])
(;W[cg]
;AW[dh][eh][fh][ih][gi][hi]LB[fe:D][ff:B][gf:A][dg:E][gg:C]C[Scribe [-\]: HomeWork !  White to move
Catch22 [4k\]: black lives?
weiqidevil [4k?\]: f14?
goshane1 [9k\]: g13
winInMFC [7k\]: Catch, black to die
Kaiu [6k\]: wF14 seems the first line
Catch22 [4k\]: I know, but I tried and couldn't kill it.
celotaped [7k\]: b lives w kill
sinful1 [3k\]: g13
ScarletFox [20k?\]: I'd agree with g13
Teclis [8k\]: g14
xevad [5k\]: F14
ScorPuS [4k\]: f14 
goshane1 [9k\]: G13 only choice
winInMFC [7k\]: hmm... i can't do it right too, Catch22 +.+
pinpingho [-\]: F15
celotaped [7k\]: d13 
winInMFC [7k\]: hmm
xevad [5k\]: I know G13 and G14 dont work..
Chaotic [1d\]: D
agui [5k\]: B
ScarletFox [20k?\]: I'd like to see C first
ruger [10k\]: B
Rilandina [16k\]: b
Rilandina [16k\]: b
]
;B[]
(;W[gf]C[winInMFC [7k\]: D,  i follow Chaotic answer
Rilandina [16k\]: f14
]
;B[ff]C[agui [5k\]: F14
goshane1 [9k\]: f14
Chaotic [1d\]: don't trust me
Chaotic [1d\]: ^^
winInMFC [7k\]: G13 now~
Teclis [8k\]: f15
]
(;W[gg]
;B[ge]C[winInMFC [7k\]: oh no..
]
;W[gh]
;B[ee]C[xevad [5k\]: life
])
(;W[ee]
;B[gg]))
(;W[ff]
(;B[gf]
;W[fe])
(;B[fe]C[winInMFC [7k\]: i think this kill !
]
;W[gf]
;B[gg]
;W[ef]
;B[dg]C[cyc [1d\]: seki?
xevad [5k\]: seki
winInMFC [7k\]: seki
xevad [5k\]: :/ I screwed up
]))
(;W[gg]C[xevad [5k\]: oh..
]
(;B[ff]
;W[ee]C[winInMFC [7k\]: i see !
xevad [5k\]: life
cyc [1d\]: dead
icebucket [11k\]: G12
Kaiu [6k\]: G14 ?
]
(;B[gh]
;W[ge])
(;B[gf]
;W[fe]))
(;B[gf]C[Scribe [-\]: f16
]
;W[fe]
;B[ee]
;W[ff]
;B[gh]))
(;W[fe]C[Scribe [-\]: f15 after whtie d15
celotaped [7k\]: ok
winInMFC [7k\]: yes
Divine [11k\]: yes
icebucket [11k\]: aye aye
agui [5k\]: yes
]
(;B[ee]
;W[ff]
;B[gh]
;W[ge])
(;B[ge]C[birne [2d\]: d15?
Ryoji [5k\]: f14 
hansb [2k\]: G13
Rud0lf [1d\]: g12
Vanya [5k?\]: g13 ?
Ryoji [5k\]: ah
]
(;W[ff]
;B[gh]C[Kaiu [6k\]: Well so black is alive ? Or did we miss a tesuji on second white move ?
Chaotic [1d\]: e14
]
(;W[gf]
;B[ef]C[winInMFC [7k\]: seki still, hmm
xevad [5k\]: heh
winInMFC [7k\]: so the answer is D13, heh
])
(;W[ee]
;B[ef]))
(;W[ee]
(;B[ff]
;W[gg])
(;B[gh]
(;W[dg]
;B[ef])
(;W[gf]
;B[gg]
;W[dg]C[xevad [5k\]: heh
])))))
(;W[dg]C[Vanya [5k?\]: f14 
]
;B[ee]
(;W[ff]
;B[gf])
(;W[gf]
;B[ff])
(;W[gg]
;B[ff])))))
(;B[db]
;W[cb]
;B[eb]
;W[dc]
;B[fc]
;W[ec]
;B[gb]
;W[fb]
;B[ed]
;W[dd]
;B[ee]
;W[ce]
;B[de]
;W[be]
;B[cf]
;W[bf]
;B[dg]
;W[]
;B[bg]
;W[]
;B[gd]C[winInMFC [7k\]: thanks sensei !
Catch22 [4k\]: thank you ! :-)
birne [2d\]: thank you!
Zioh [10k\]: thanks!
ele [1d\]: thanks
ruger [10k\]: thx
Bodo212 [8k\]: thx - bye
jjermann [6k?\]: thank you
Ryoji [5k\]: thanks :)
Divine [11k\]: thank you
Billette [-\]: Thank you for the lesson
murky: thanks 
Kaiu [6k\]: Thank you very much
Dakre [2d\]: thanks
reed338 [5k?\]: thanks
Vanya [5k?\]: thank you
agui [5k\]: Thank you very much
MXHero [2d\]: thanks
hansili [5k\]: thank you!!
babakhan [4k?\]: thank you!
goetzman [4k\]: thx
cyc [1d\]: thx
ScorPuS [4k\]: thx
Chrille [17k?\]: thanks!
MRei [?\]: thak you
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to Ing Goe Foundation
SoulShard [-\]: Thank you.
Vanya [5k?\]: bye
winInMFC [7k\]: see you !!
BigElefant [12k\]: thank you
mattago [14k\]: thx
weiqidevil [4k?\]: thanks
MRei [?\]: bye
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu!
guojuan [5p\]: I will continue
winInMFC [7k\]: bye ~~~
butterdish: thanks goodbye
xSub [7k\]: cu
guojuan [5p\]: yes
Winters [5k\]: thanks
winInMFC [7k\]: thanks guo juan~
]))
