(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
DT[2006-10-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Bodo212 [8k\]: hello
BigElefant [12k\]: hi
murky: Hi there
Ryoji [5k\]: hi
CcB [7k\]: Hi
babakhan [4k?\]: hello...
Bodo212 [8k\]: good afternoon
agui [5k\]: Hello
cyc [1d\]: hi
icebucket [11k\]: yes knight move there is bad shape
rydberg [2k\]: crystal :-)
babakhan [4k?\]: Yes, very good.
icebucket [11k\]: -.-
Motangu [?\]: xiexie guojuan
lemondrink [3k\]: will there be a lecture on san-ren sei?
Motangu [?\]: Will there be a lecture on Q16, c3, k10?
lemondrink [3k\]: ok. nice :)
Vanya [5k?\]: clear
winInMFC [7k\]: yes
vondutch [4k\]: ahw, that's sadistic :p
viper [2k\]: yeh
eterion [9k\]: yeess
sufi [9k\]: yes please!!!
Yezatane [12k\]: please
Motangu [?\]: Yes, keep going on untill we are as strong as 4p :)
]
(;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dd]
;B[fc]
;W[jd]
;B[oc]C[Ryoji [5k\]: how strong is your son?
]
;W[po]
;B[qo]
;W[qn]
;B[qp]
;W[pm]
;B[nq]
;W[qi]C[cyc [1d\]: wow
]
;B[cc]
;W[dc]
;B[cd]
;W[de]
;B[db]
;W[eb]
;B[cb]
;W[ec]
;B[cf]C[murky: sound is breaking up
]
(;W[eg]C[Hu [7k\]: No, Divine, next year it is first Sunday in November in US.
Scribe [-\]: e13/c13 exchange is typical mistake
]
;B[cg]LB[cg:B][eg:A]C[meh [8k\]: In Canada, too, Hu.
Divine [11k\]: who cares about bushland?
]
(;W[fd])
(;W[]
;B[fd]
;AB[ei][gi][cj]C[meh [8k\]: Yeah, ouch.
Scribe [-\]: whole groups dies in the end
ImNoSensei [-\]: good evening Guo Juan
]
(;W[ef]TR[eg]C[icebucket [11k\]: ouch
Scribe [-\]: white has severe problem
ele [1k\]: yes, very
agui [5k\]: yes thanks
]
;B[hd])
(;AE[cg][eg]
;W[df]
;B[cg]
;W[ff]C[icebucket [11k\]: Hmm.... interesting
])))
(;AE[oc]
;W[oc]C[icebucket [11k\]: yes
Divine [11k\]: yes right
Scribe [-\]: time change next week end before the lesson
Hu [7k\]: Oct. 29 for the US and Canada.
Bodo212 [8k\]: yes
babakhan [4k?\]: Yes, DST next Sunday in US.
icebucket [11k\]: pacific daylight saving.
Catch22 [4k\]: yes, next week in Europe
Divine [11k\]: yes also in most europ states
rydberg [2k\]: Same in europe
babakhan [4k?\]: 12/29 in US.
Dakre [2d\]: in europe it is next weekend
Scribe [-\]: both are next weekend
icebucket [11k\]: US last saturday of October.
impulse [2k\]: yep, both DST ends
Hu [7k\]: http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html
icebucket [11k\]: positive
Dakre [2d\]: yes
rydberg [2k\]: Yes
Hu [7k\]: Same for both.
ATM [2d?\]: We change in the opposite direction in Australia.
Divine [11k\]: yes sure allways last oktober sunday 2am in the morning
]
;B[pe]
;W[fd]TR[kc][lc][mc][nc]C[Scribe [-\]: here it is different, white has strenght on the right in this game
])
(;W[fd]C[Hu [7k\]: No chauvinism and no trolling, please, Divine.
Scribe [-\]: e13 is very weak shape, white must play f16
Scribe [-\]: at least here white can escape with d14 in place of e13
]
;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: Divine censored
]
(;W[ch])
(;W[eg]
;B[cg]TR[eg]C[icebucket [11k\]: :D
]))
(;W[]
;B[fd]
;W[df]
;B[cg]
;W[dg]))
(;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
(;W[dd]
(;B[qk]LB[pg:A][pn:B]C[Scribe [-\]: Chinese Fuseki
icebucket [11k\]: low chinese opening.
egemen [-\]: base
icebucket [11k\]: Come invade me.  I'll kick ur butt
pinpingho [-\]: omit the coner enclosure
ImNoSensei [-\]: agressive moyo style
oeillet [2k?\]: territory
fantomas27 [7k\]: build a moyo
babakhan [4k?\]: moyo
weiqidevil [4k?\]: black wants to fight.
krisprolls [2k\]: come on!!!
agui [5k\]: build a moyo by attacking
Dakre [2d\]: to make it unattractive for white to approach at q5... 
icebucket [11k\]: intimidating
ImNoSensei [-\]: intimidating yes
hansb [2k\]: inimidating
babakhan [4k?\]: Yes, good word.
egemen [-\]: :)9
rayen [1k\]: :)
eterion [9k\]: scary
ImNoSensei [-\]: I have heard some players say it is an opening played often to ensure a comfortable game for black
hansb [2k\]: makes you feel timid
ImNoSensei [-\]: would you agree ?
]
(;W[nc]
;B[pf]
;W[jd]
(;B[cj]
;W[mp]
;B[po]
;W[ch]
;B[cm]
(;W[gq]LB[qh:A][qm:B]TR[qk]C[icebucket [11k\]: doesn't this defeats the purpose of the opening?
])
(;AE[qk]AB[ql]))
(;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[jp]LB[qh:A][po:B][qo:C][lq:D]C[Scribe [-\]: black should construct as big a framework as possible
Scribe [-\]: force a white invasion, seek out white mistakes
fantomas27 [7k\]: q5
SunnyD [2d\]: D
icebucket [11k\]: D
Bodo212 [8k\]: b
nitram1 [2k\]: b
agui [5k\]: B
winInMFC [7k\]: B
icebucket [11k\]: B is way deep
rayen [1k\]: d
Bodo212 [8k\]: no
winInMFC [7k\]: A too early
ele [1k\]: i want A
oeillet [2k?\]: too heavy
ImNoSensei [-\]: top right is hoshi so still open ?
icebucket [11k\]: too deep no help outside
agui [5k\]: R13
rayen [1k\]: its not the bigger side
Bodo212 [8k\]: better invade large territory
winInMFC [7k\]: A help b to get strong wall ?
butterdish: b expands bottom moyo
mallow [-\]: the top right will not be easily destabilized, and black will use it to fortify the bottom, which is larger
Vanya [5k?\]: w r12 -b o14 
romanwahoo [1k\]: black attacks for r9 stoene and builds the bottom
egemen [-\]: becouse of san san?
hansb [2k\]: not at thje heart of the moyo
quasitot [4k?\]: r9 is on an ideal place
ImNoSensei [-\]: A will help the bottom right moyo
eterion [9k\]: B
fantomas27 [7k\]: B
icebucket [11k\]: B or D
agui [5k\]: at B
winInMFC [7k\]: B
Scribe [-\]: before we invade,  must determine which area will become the large territory, then invade there to prevent the creation of the large territory
rayen [1k\]: D
fantomas27 [7k\]: B
agui [5k\]: B
eterion [9k\]: B
Ryoji [5k\]: B
ImNoSensei [-\]: B = corner approach is more momentum ?
Scribe [-\]: invasion at r12 is also too small
]
(;W[]
;B[op]C[Scribe [-\]: black will try to create big territory on the lower right
])
(;W[qh]
;B[ph]
;W[qg]
;B[pg]
;W[qi]
;B[oj]
;W[rd]
;B[op])
(;W[lq]C[Scribe [-\]: this invasion is too small
]
;B[kq]
;W[lp]
;B[jn]
;W[po]
;B[oo])
(;W[po]
(;B[np]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]
;W[qp]
;B[rr]
;W[qm]
;B[nn]
;W[om]
;B[on]
;W[pn]
;B[pl]
;W[rk]
;B[rj]
;W[rl]
;B[qj]
;W[pm]LB[qj:16][rj:14][rk:13][pl:12][rl:15][om:9][pm:17][qm:7][nn:8][on:10][pn:11][po:1][np:2][qp:5][qq:3][qr:4][rr:6]C[Scribe [-\]: classic joseki
])
(;B[qp]
;W[oq]C[Scribe [-\]: little trick
Scribe [-\]: mistake
romanwahoo [1k\]: q4
hansb [2k\]: Q4
Scribe [-\]: by white
winInMFC [7k\]: P4 
quasitot [4k?\]: q4
rayen [1k\]: q4  :)
]
(;B[pp]C[winInMFC [7k\]: p4 by b
]
;W[op]
;B[oo]
;W[qo]
;B[pr]C[Scribe [-\]: black strong in the corner
Ryoji [5k\]: cool
Scribe [-\]: white is split
Scribe [-\]: one group will die
winInMFC [7k\]: i see
Scribe [-\]: this is a good trick !
winInMFC [7k\]: whoever invade my chinese openning next time, he will get this :D
Motangu [?\]: wububMFC, in the case he is as strong as you
Motangu [?\]: If w is GuoJuan, she won't get this :D
eterion [9k\]: no downside
Scribe [-\]: there are two types of tricks: good tricks which work if opponent makes mistake, but normal game is opponent does not make mistake
Scribe [-\]: bad tricks hurt you if the opponent plays well
])
(;B[op]C[rayen [1k\]: the powerfull triangle :D
]
;W[pp]
;B[qq]
;W[np])))
(;W[qo]TR[pf][qk][jp][fq][pq]C[Scribe [-\]: mistake to invade at r5
agui [5k\]: R4
nitram1 [2k\]: p5
rayen [1k\]: r4 ?
eterion [9k\]: contain him in the corner
hansb [2k\]: R4
sonicyouth [6k\]: kosumi
ImNoSensei [-\]: P4
quasitot [4k?\]: r4
ele [1k\]: q5?
eterion [9k\]: q5
Dakre [2d\]: r4?
ImNoSensei [-\]: or R4
quasitot [4k?\]: attack
hansb [2k\]: take the base
ruger [10k\]: r4
oeillet [2k?\]: kosumi tsuke
jjermann [6k?\]: build moyo on the left?
fantomas27 [7k\]: q5
winInMFC [7k\]: P4 better~
rayen [1k\]: b
Vanya [5k?\]: r4 
Scribe [-\]: black must attack !
]
(;B[qp]C[winInMFC [7k\]: P5
]
;W[po]
;B[np]C[Scribe [-\]: r4 denies white base and eye shape
Scribe [-\]: r9 squeezes white
Scribe [-\]: white heavyt
Scribe [-\]: white not alive
winInMFC [7k\]: i see
Scribe [-\]: therefore white must not play at r5 invasion
])
(;B[po])
(;B[op]C[DanFilth [4k?\]: Q5
]
;W[rq]C[Scribe [-\]: p4 is defense...not good here
]))
(;W[op]
;B[rq])))
(;W[qo]
;B[qp]
;W[po]
;B[np]C[Scribe [-\]: white invaded too early
]
(;W[ol]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: control of the game on move 7, nice
Scribe [-\]: black attacks, white must run
]
;B[pj]
;W[on]
;B[lp]C[Scribe [-\]: best escape still no good
])
(;W[no]
;B[mp]
;W[mo]
;B[lo]
;W[ln]
;B[ko]C[Scribe [-\]: black makes territory on both sides even after white p8, professional escaping move
]))
(;W[po]
;B[np]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]
;W[qp]
;B[rr]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: what was the correct W extension before to avoid the empty triangle tricks ?
]
;W[qm]
;B[ok]
;W[om]
;B[kq]
;W[rk]
;B[rj]C[Scribe [-\]: good for black
]
;W[rl]
;B[qi]C[agui [5k\]: yes 
xSub [7k\]: yes
Bodo212 [8k\]: many thx
Vanya [5k?\]: yes, thanks
babakhan [4k?\]: Yes, very helpful...
johnny2bad [1k\]: thank you Guo Juan
hansb [2k\]: defence against chinese opening?
mallow [-\]: What's the correct response to the trick move from earlier?
winInMFC [7k\]: thanks guo juan
abli [7k\]: can white play chinse opening?
]))
(;B[qo])
(;B[pk]C[winInMFC [7k\]: Motangu, i have good tesuji even against  guo juan teacher, "resign tesuji" :D
]
(;W[nc]
;B[pf]
;W[jd]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[jp]
;W[po]
;B[qp]
(;W[oq]
;B[pp]
;W[op]
;B[oo])
(;W[np]C[Scribe [-\]: very powerful to play q4 in high chinese as wll
Vanya [5k?\]: r5 
agui [5k\]: R5
winInMFC [7k\]: O3 ?
]
(;B[qo]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: P4 seems possible
quasitot [4k?\]: p4
johnny2bad [1k\]: p5
ele [1d\]: p4
meh [8k\]: p4?
agui [5k\]: ok
mallow [-\]: P5?
hansb [2k\]: P4
eterion [9k\]: p4
]
;W[pn]
;B[qm]
;W[oq]C[Motangu [?\]: o3?
]
;B[lp]
;W[pr]C[Adriano [1k\]: use weak keima
rayen [1k\]: p5 :P
]
;B[qr]
;W[pp]C[Scribe [-\]: r5 is defending move...black needs to attack
]
;B[qq])
(;B[op]
;W[oo]
;B[no]
;W[nq]C[hansb [2k\]: P3
Motangu [?\]: q4
winInMFC [7k\]: P3 ?
eterion [9k\]: N5
SunnyD [2d\]: Q4
rayen [1k\]: r5 
ImNoSensei [-\]: Q4 ?
]
;B[oq]LB[no:A]TR[np][op][nq][oq]C[ele [1d\]: q4
agui [5k\]: O6
Motangu [?\]: Oh, ok
Scribe [-\]: hane at the head of two stones
winInMFC [7k\]: i see
Motangu [?\]: 7k and 2k are right, the rest of incorrect
]
(;W[lp]C[Scribe [-\]: one white group or the other will die
]
;B[nn])
(;W[om]
;B[mo]
;W[qo]
;B[rp]C[winInMFC [7k\]: Montangu, no, i asked whether it is p3 or not, i am not sure +.+
agui [5k\]: Nice !
eterion [9k\]: that's hard
winInMFC [7k\]: now w quite torturing in this situation
]))
(;B[oo]C[Scribe [-\]: must cut!
]
;W[op]
;B[pp]
;W[on]C[eterion [9k\]: ladder
])))
(;W[mp]
;B[po]C[quasitot [4k?\]: whats white best reaction?
]
;W[jp]
;B[cn]
;W[nc]
;B[qf]LB[qi:B][qm:A]C[Scribe [-\]: dont use chinese to make a flat shape
Scribe [-\]: not good
Scribe [-\]: q9 is misplaced
winInMFC [7k\]: i see
Scribe [-\]: white has two invasion points
Scribe [-\]: q9 does not make territory
ImNoSensei [-\]: hehehe
Ryoji [5k\]: lol
hansb [2k\]: with windmills
ImNoSensei [-\]: Black is like a Polder
ImNoSensei [-\]: =)
]
;AE[pk]AB[qk]C[Motangu [?\]: So, what is the right respont to o17?
eterion [9k\]: where would be better to invade by white? A or B
]))
(;AB[qk]))
(;W[po]
;B[cd]
;W[ec]C[Ryoji [5k\]: :)
Motangu [?\]: How long will we have lecture "How to think like 5p"?
winInMFC [7k\]: yes, if b play sanrensei :D
]))
(;AW[cc][jc][dl][em][cn][en][co][do][bp][ep][jp][pp][cq][eq]AB[od][qd][pj][el][bm][cm][dm][fm][dn][hn][eo][fo][cp][dp][hp]C[hansb [2k\]: already available in french
Vanya [5k?\]: d14 
winInMFC [7k\]: b turn ?
xSub [7k\]: d14 
mallow [-\]: D15 or so?
agui [5k\]: D14
rayen [1k\]: d14 
viper [2k\]: d15
Ryoji [5k\]: c15 
ImNoSensei [-\]: D14 maybe
winInMFC [7k\]: B17
eterion [9k\]: d13
Ryoji [5k\]: oh
ImNoSensei [-\]: C14 looks ok actually
winInMFC [7k\]: fight them, since we got thickness
Motangu [?\]: Make a pass? :)
]
;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: good move
ImNoSensei [-\]: excellent
]
(;W[df]TR[cc][jc][df]C[eterion [9k\]: what about D13 ? too big?
Scribe [-\]: high to limit black growth from lower left
winInMFC [7k\]: thanks~
ImNoSensei [-\]: attack K4 ?
Scribe [-\]: sansan with double wings is bad...white can hit on top of the sansan stone
eterion [9k\]: yes
xSub [7k\]: yes
ImNoSensei [-\]: very clear
agui [5k\]: yes thanks
]
(;B[mp]C[agui [5k\]: C12
]
;W[hr]
;B[iq]
;W[qn]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: ah nice move
])
(;B[qq])
(;B[qn]C[Motangu [?\]: Looks r3 not ggod
]))
(;W[dd]LB[cc:A]C[Scribe [-\]: too slow move
])
(;W[de]
;B[cg]C[Scribe [-\]: good move at d14
])
(;W[ci]TR[jc][ci]
(;B[df])
(;B[dd])))
(;AW[cc][qk][dl][qn][fp][dq][eq][jq][cr]AB[oc][qd][dn][co][dp][qp][bq][cq][mq][pq]C[vondutch [4k\]: i like black
celotaped [7k\]: :)
thoel [?\]: R12
gkmm [2d\]: C12
viper [2k\]: k17
celotaped [7k\]: e16 
Yezatane [12k\]: f 6
ImNoSensei [-\]: F16
winInMFC [7k\]: D12
Scribe [-\]: White to play
eterion [9k\]: e16
agui [5k\]: C11
hansb [2k\]: D14
johnny2bad [1k\]: d11
ScorPuS [4k\]: k16 
winInMFC [7k\]: k17, hmm
ele [1d\]: k17
Vanya [5k?\]: k16 
nickwild [3k\]: k17
gogogo07 [3k\]: k17
]
;B[]
(;W[qh]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: o.0
winInMFC [7k\]: i see
ImNoSensei [-\]: interesting
Scribe [-\]: playing on the right side is very urgent...must help those two white stones
Ryoji [5k\]: a bit flat?
ImNoSensei [-\]: makes sense with shimari there
ImNoSensei [-\]: yay
xSub [7k\]: yes
xSub [7k\]: :)
])
(;W[df]
;B[qi]C[winInMFC [7k\]: because R12 would be good move for b
]
;W[ok]C[Vanya [5k?\]: isn't it too low?
]))
(;AW[cc][nc][pc][qc][rc][rd][qf][dn][mo][no][oo][po][dp]AB[od][pd][qd][qe][re][qh][pl][on][jp][fq][lq][nq][pq]LB[me:A][pf:E][ch:G][mm:F][nm:D][qp:B][qq:C]C[vondutch [4k\]: I never expected a sadistic teacher here, but I finally found one. Yay me :D
Motangu [?\]: I'm fear I die before that ^^
mannn [10k\]: lol
Scribe [-\]: Black to play
rayen [1k\]: n15 
jjermann [6k?\]: Q14
gnos [7k\]: R4
mallow [-\]: N7
ImNoSensei [-\]: D16, steal influence and attack N5 on a large scale
xSub [7k\]: r4 
lightstone [3k\]: r4
agui [5k\]: O7
eterion [9k\]: R4?
winInMFC [7k\]: R3
viper [2k\]: n7 
ele [1d\]: n8
glimz [6k\]: C8
celotaped [7k\]: c8 
vondutch [4k\]: n8 
Vanya [5k?\]: d14 
Ryoji [5k\]: d16 
winInMFC [7k\]: P5 too big, must live first +.+
tibra [6k\]: C11
Motangu [?\]: A
viper [2k\]: n7 
mannn [10k\]: c12
ImNoSensei [-\]: (it is B to play right ?)
]
(;B[pf]C[Motangu [?\]: Is bad
])
(;B[me]C[winInMFC [7k\]: b to play ? +.+
Scribe [-\]: q14 not necessary
]
;W[ml]C[Motangu [?\]: q14 is not good, willzhang told about that
])
(;B[ml]C[Scribe [-\]: this is the move
winInMFC [7k\]: i see, n8, important for w, so b need it
Motangu [?\]: guojuan, may I ask if w p14, how do b respond?
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Guo Juan
Ryoji [5k\]: oh :(
]
(;W[ko]C[ele [1d\]: ha!
]
;B[kl]
;W[jo]C[vondutch [4k\]: ele: we got it :)
]
;B[ip]
;W[io]
;B[md])
(;W[hq]C[mannn [10k\]: w can do o7
]
;B[hp]C[Scribe [-\]: attack white while building the right side
])
(;W[of]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: xie xie
]
;B[nd]
;W[mc]
;B[md]LB[ml:A]C[Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
ImNoSensei [-\]: killing sounds fun when you say it
winInMFC [7k\]: thanks ~
Yezatane [12k\]: haha
Motangu [?\]: I often see p14 when someone does trick
Scribe [-\]: p14 is white overplay
ImNoSensei [-\]: like a song and dance about murder
Bodo212 [8k\]: many thanks !
]))))
