(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2006-09-17]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Firzen [12k\]: hi
LordRahl [12k\]: good morning
BigElefant [20k\]: hi
zengcheng [1d\]: hi
Leek [?\]: hi
Meloku [-\]: hello
gkmm [12k?\]: hi
blitzme [6k\]: helloooooooooooooo
Shikasta [13k\]: hi
pinpingho [-\]: hello
MrFritz [15k\]: hello!
Firzen [12k\]: ^^
Ghostly [13k?\]: hello
icebucket [17k\]: Morning MinJiu..   How was yesterday metting @ berkeley?
M0kum4 [13k?\]: hello
thoel [?\]: hello
gravity [13k\]: hellO! every sunday as nice as now, watching this lesson, while having a relaxed meal :)
saodiseng [2d\]: hi
MagicMagor [8k\]: hello
blitzme [6k\]: nice to hear you
M0kum4 [13k?\]: yes
zengcheng [1d\]: hello
murky: Howdi
Meloku [-\]: yup
zengcheng [1d\]: yeah
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Mingjiu Laoshi
Soul [11k\]: Hello!
apagis [3k\]: hello
usagi [3k\]: hihihi
MrFritz [15k\]: sound ok
anth0ny [23k\]: WOHOO!
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[Firzen [12k\]: nice
Divine [18k\]: bad for white
gravity [13k\]: hehe
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[blaha [10k\]: thx a lot
SupRAS [11k\]: thx
]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[icebucket [17k\]: Oh... 2 game?  My brain is gonna go bust.
saodiseng [2d\]: yes
blitzme [6k\]: yes
Meloku [-\]: yes
Firzen [12k\]: yes
Grimley [5k\]: yes
Repacse [8k\]: yes
gravity [13k\]: of course
Firzen [12k\]: Q4
Scribe [-\]: white as two ways: o5 and r3. both are joseki
]
(;W[qq]CR[qq]C[saodiseng [2d\]: yes
blitzme [6k\]: yes
Shikasta [13k\]: yes
SirToby [7k\]: y
gravity [13k\]: yes, but i dont know how it works correct
Meloku [-\]: probably
murky: u said it was
Grimley [5k\]: white has to check the ladder first
murky: :)
gravity [13k\]: d16 needed?
Firzen [12k\]: i only know W4 now
Firzen [12k\]: Q4
Grimley [5k\]: ladder does not work
blitzme [6k\]: ladder good for black
Scribe [-\]: joseki but a big mistake on this whole board position.
aditsu [7k?\]: you'd think 5d would know better ^^
icebucket [17k\]: blitz
icebucket [17k\]: kk
anth0ny [23k\]: thank you very much
]
;B[pp]CR[pp]C[Scribe [-\]: big white mistake
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
(;B[no]CR[no]
(;W[rp]CR[rp]C[xmintmint [14k\]: shape?
]
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[anth0ny [23k\]: :P
gravity [13k\]: b hasnt punish w?
Zark [3k\]: no
blitzme [6k\]: not at all
Scribe [-\]: o3 is joseki (in place of whtie s4)
Scribe [-\]: s4 just helps black fix the cutting point at q5 after the white o3 move joseki
]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[nq]LB[pd:1][qn:11][no:9][oo:5][ro:12][dp:2][np:13][op:4][pp:7][qp:3][rp:10][nq:15][oq:14][pq:8][qq:6]C[Scribe [-\]: yuck
Firzen [12k\]: whos game is this?
zengcheng [1d\]: seems black play wrong
icebucket [17k\]: D16
zengcheng [1d\]: why not )15
zengcheng [1d\]: 0 15
saodiseng [2d\]: good for white, because white has sente
icebucket [17k\]: whie go for UL corner
zengcheng [1d\]: black is better
Vanya [10k?\]: good for black
thoel [?\]: good for black
blitzme [6k\]: seems good for b
Meloku [-\]: I prefer W because he's sente :p
icebucket [17k\]: Good for White.  White has sente and pnts
Firzen [12k\]: one corner open
Repacse [8k\]: white corner is large and black has still a cutting point
]
;W[qm]CR[qm]C[zengcheng [1d\]: nice move
])
(;B[ro]CR[ro]C[usagi [3k\]: to make white low on the right
Vanya [10k?\]: vital point
]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[qn]CR[qn]C[anth0ny [23k\]: Oh
Scribe [-\]: better for Black 
]
(;W[nq]CR[nq])
(;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[rs]CR[rs])))
(;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
(;W[po]CR[po])
(;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[qn]CR[qn]C[gravity [13k\]: no
])))
(;B[oq]CR[oq]
(;W[np]CR[np]C[blitzme [6k\]: p3
]
;B[or]CR[or]C[Meloku [-\]: how strong were the players?
zengcheng [1d\]: if ladder break,how does b do
Jing1984 [5k?\]: yes
xmintmint [14k\]: yes
saodiseng [2d\]: yes
Soul [11k\]: aye :)
thoel [?\]: yes, thank you
ka [12k\]: ok
seidelin [9k\]: thanks
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
zengcheng [1d\]: thank you a lot
anth0ny [23k\]: Thank you ver y much!
Winters [11k\]: thanks
xmintmint [14k\]: thank you
thoel [?\]: thanks for the lesson
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
toepk [13k?\]: thank you
ka [12k\]: thx
M0kum4 [13k?\]: Thank you
Vanya [10k?\]: thank you for the lecture
agui [10k\]: Thank you very much
MagicMagor [8k\]: thank you
apagis [3k\]: thxalot
Dreadnaut [29k?\]: Thank You!!!
SirToby [7k\]: thx
BigElefant [20k\]: thanks
SupRAS [11k\]: thanks to you
silver2k4 [?\]: thx
saodiseng [2d\]: thank you
Leek [?\]: thx
Ghostly [13k?\]: thank you
Shikasta [13k\]: thxs
Tianren246: thx
au2 [4k\]: thank you
Soul [11k\]: great lesson. thank you!
suducodu [?\]: thks
blaha [10k\]: thanks
]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[icebucket [17k\]: P4 the weak stone..  Need UL corner breaker
Meloku [-\]: thanks ^^
Soul [11k\]: just 1 stone can make a big difference :)
]
(;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[mr]CR[mr]C[gravity [13k\]: no homework today?
]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[lr]CR[lr]
(;B[mp]CR[mp]C[Firzen [12k\]: XD
zengcheng [1d\]: dead
blitzme [6k\]: ooops
gravity [13k\]: ladder.)
Scribe [-\]: this ladder must favor white before r3 is played
])
(;B[lq]CR[lq]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[no]CR[no]C[icebucket [17k\]: nope
gravity [13k\]: no thx
apagis [3k\]: no
gravity [13k\]: that was nice!
MrFritz [15k\]: seems clear
Scribe [-\]: much check this ladder first !
]))
(;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[rs]CR[rs]C[Scribe [-\]: white corner needs s1 to live
Repacse [8k\]: N5 
icebucket [17k\]: all blacks
]
;B[mo]CR[mo]C[Scribe [-\]: outside white stones are blighted
]
;W[no]CR[no]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[on]CR[on]C[zengcheng [1d\]: good for b\\
]
;B[mp]CR[mp])
(;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[lr]CR[lr]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
(;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[rs]CR[rs]
;W[qs]CR[qs]
;B[sp]CR[sp]C[Scribe [-\]: black kills
]
(;W[ms]CR[ms]
;B[sq]CR[sq])
(;W[sq]CR[sq]
;B[so]CR[so]
;W[ms]CR[ms]
;B[ps]CR[ps]))
(;W[ms]CR[ms]
;B[lq]CR[lq]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[jr]CR[jr]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[ir]CR[ir]
;B[jp]CR[jp]C[icebucket [17k\]: ouch
]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[Scribe [-\]: white dead again
]))
(;W[mr]CR[mr]C[Vanya [10k?\]: sad story
]
(;B[pr]CR[pr]
(;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[nr]CR[nr]C[zengcheng [1d\]: the same
])
(;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[qs]CR[qs]C[zengcheng [1d\]: tow li
icebucket [17k\]: a sad story to tell :(
]))
(;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[nr]CR[nr])))
(;W[or]CR[or]
;B[np]CR[np]C[usagi [3k\]: black likes the shape
]
;W[nr]CR[nr]C[zengcheng [1d\]: complicated
gravity [13k\]: no!
Meloku [-\]: no
Repacse [8k\]: too low
Firzen [12k\]: yes for black ^^
anth0ny [23k\]: noo
Jing1984 [5k?\]: yes, if i'm B
blitzme [6k\]: disaster
])))
(;W[no]CR[no]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[iq]CR[iq]))
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
(;B[pp]CR[pp]C[Meloku [-\]: how strong were the players?
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[no]CR[no])
(;B[np]CR[np]C[Scribe [-\]: now the ladder is good for white
]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[Scribe [-\]: much more important to get out than to save he two stones
]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[ro]CR[ro]C[MrFritz [15k\]: !
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[sp]CR[sp]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
]
;B[fq]CR[fq])
(;B[po]CR[po]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[rq]CR[rq]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
(;W[no]CR[no])
(;W[jq]CR[jq])))
(;B[dp]CR[dp]C[Soul [11k\]: aye :)
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[ch]CR[ch]C[Scribe [-\]: very common
]
;W[cc]CR[cc]C[agui [10k\]: D17
gravity [13k\]: d17
xmintmint [14k\]: d17
Scribe [-\]: where to block ?
usagi [3k\]: C16
nitram1 [6k\]: d17
playmore [2d\]: D17 
anth0ny [23k\]: D17
SirToby [7k\]: d17
zengcheng [1d\]: d 17
saodiseng [2d\]: c16
]
(;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[eg]CR[eg]C[Scribe [-\]: jsoeki
]
;W[jp]CR[jp]TR[pq]C[Dreadnaut [29k?\]: :If you lose four corners, resign"
gravity [13k\]: if b got all for or no corner he schould resign
Soul [11k\]: ogeima (R6) + extension (K4) is great - roger :)
]
(;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[qh]CR[qh]TR[qn][jp][pq]C[Scribe [-\]: black needs to be more defensive, approach from two spaces
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[pel [7k?\]: white looks good :)
gravity [13k\]: hm close?
aditsu [7k?\]: black feels uncomfortable on the right
agui [10k\]: I prefer white
anth0ny [23k\]: Yea
gravity [13k\]: its bs move so
Vanya [10k?\]: not clear
icebucket [17k\]: black
usagi [3k\]: i think black might try p18 or o15
MrFritz [15k\]: black has huge influence
Soul [11k\]: i like black
Scribe [-\]: white settled nicely in upper right, black right side weak, white bottom too good, white has m17 invasion, etc
zengcheng [1d\]: why b play Q5
yithril [5k\]: white seems to have more solid territory
Dreadnaut [29k?\]: black has strong influence on top and in the middle
Scribe [-\]: very good for white this result
Scribe [-\]: white has three corners
Soul [11k\]: interesting
zengcheng [1d\]: I guess Q 6 is best choice
]
;B[fq]CR[fq]C[icebucket [17k\]: left open
Scribe [-\]: white should play on the left in place of m17 at this time in the game
anth0ny [23k\]: haha
]
(;W[lc]CR[lc]C[Dakre [2k?\]: helped black alot
SirToby [7k\]: but cant white wedge in and play a ladderbreaker at d12 ?
Scribe [-\]: m17 is too early in this game
icebucket [17k\]: what support does white need to play there?
blitzme [6k\]: c4
nicat [8k\]: what about f13 first?
]
;B[ld]CR[ld]C[zengcheng [1d\]: then W can attcak this 2 syone
Scribe [-\]: White helped Black strengthen the top
saodiseng [2d\]: L16
Scribe [-\]: left*
SirToby [7k\]: right
]
(;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[md]CR[md]C[Dakre [2k?\]: i think m17 was too early
]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Scribe [-\]: black stones on right are misplaced (should be three lines closer to bottom)
zengcheng [1d\]: in fact,b get less than w
yithril [5k\]: you cant invade 3,3?
gravity [13k\]: 3-3 helps b side
]
(;B[kc]CR[kc]LB[oc:A]C[gravity [13k\]: wrong direction?
Dakre [2k?\]: good for black
saodiseng [2d\]: good for black
usagi [3k\]: Can white hane inside at L16 here?
anth0ny [23k\]: b good
agui [10k\]: good for black
zengcheng [1d\]: of cause  w is better
Jing1984 [5k?\]: B is thick
gravity [13k\]: i like w more
MrFritz [15k\]: black lost territory
Zark [3k\]: n17 better at l17?
thoel [?\]: white got reduction in sente
gravity [13k\]: safe territory
icebucket [17k\]: There are bigger fish elsewhere.
gravity [13k\]: o16 big
gravity [13k\]: o
Scribe [-\]: result is good for Black on top
usagi [3k\]: well, I saw a variation once about white L16 so I dont think this is as good
Scribe [-\]: Black got more
usagi [3k\]: but maybe here it is not good
Scribe [-\]: white should play on the right in place of m17 at this time in the game
icebucket [17k\]: right now w
Vanya [10k?\]: black's
anth0ny [23k\]: whites
zengcheng [1d\]: w
gravity [13k\]: b´s
Scribe [-\]: m17 white mistake in timing, not in techique
icebucket [17k\]: yay :P
Jing1984 [5k?\]: yp
anth0ny [23k\]: yeah
blitzme [6k\]: yeeep
Dreadnaut [29k?\]: yeah
Soul [11k\]: aye
Scribe [-\]: now Black is leading, white's mistake was more serious
icebucket [17k\]: can't disagree with ya
]
(;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[bp]CR[bp]C[gravity [13k\]: hm you think b is ahead much?
agui [10k\]: no
Dakre [2k?\]: maybe c5 instead of c3
sajmon [7k\]: I have never seen J5 before
]
(;W[cp]CR[cp]C[Meloku [-\]: of course :p
nicat [8k\]: yes c5
agui [10k\]: C5
Tianren246: hmm
]
(;B[cq]CR[cq]C[agui [10k\]: this is
gravity [13k\]: yeah
gravity [13k\]: c5?
zengcheng [1d\]: how about C5
Vanya [10k?\]: yes
]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[do]CR[do]C[Scribe [-\]: good for white, white has d13 move
]
(;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[dq]CR[dq]LB[bl:A]C[Scribe [-\]: the game
Dakre [2k?\]: good for white again i think
gravity [13k\]: then of course i agree
Scribe [-\]: c9 does not attack White.  c9 does not create territory
]
(;W[fn]CR[fn]LB[bh:B][ck:A]C[icebucket [17k\]: gee this looks like I'm playing black..  (>.<)
anth0ny [23k\]: f6
icebucket [17k\]: balance
zengcheng [1d\]: W
gravity [13k\]: i still like w :(
anth0ny [23k\]: white
seidelin [9k\]: black
Dakre [2k?\]: i like white
agui [10k\]: white
Dreadnaut [29k?\]: white
Meloku [-\]: w
zengcheng [1d\]: 4 corner
zengcheng [1d\]: 3 corner
Scribe [-\]: White is better now
Vanya [10k?\]: w jas an attack
saodiseng [2d\]: no
zengcheng [1d\]: A is so close
Scribe [-\]: Black c9 move is not effective
Soul [11k\]: black O3 now? :)
saodiseng [2d\]: no
zengcheng [1d\]: less
Vanya [10k?\]: w has weak group
]
;B[gq]CR[gq])
(;W[go]CR[go]TR[qh][qk]C[Soul [11k\]: komi is 6.5?
Scribe [-\]: white g5 is wrong needs to be at f6
Scribe [-\]: two 4d players
Soul [11k\]: ok
zengcheng [1d\]: thin
gravity [13k\]: f3 schould be c6?
Jing1984 [5k?\]: wouldn't be better to cover white?
icebucket [17k\]: limbo move
]
;B[gq]CR[gq]))
(;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[ck]CR[ck]LB[dg:A]C[Scribe [-\]: Black has two ways....inside or outside ataris of c4 stone
Jing1984 [5k?\]: yes, thanks
Vanya [10k?\]: who won?
gravity [13k\]: thx 
Soul [11k\]: :)
anth0ny [23k\]: haha
Bodo212 [15k\]: thx
]))
(;B[co]CR[co]C[Scribe [-\]: study study study
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[gravity [13k\]: now i feel like a 12k :)
Dreadnaut [29k?\]: lol
anth0ny [23k\]: haha
Soul [11k\]: 7p powers, xmint
]
;B[bq]CR[bq]C[zengcheng [1d\]: clear
Soul [11k\]: all clear :)
TotoroShan [9k\]: it's ok
Tianren246: none
xmintmint [14k\]: how do you make it look so easy?
]
;W[do]CR[do]C[Scribe [-\]:  big black mistake to play at c3
]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[ep]CR[ep]
(;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[br]CR[br]
;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
(;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[en]CR[en]
;W[em]CR[em]
;B[fn]CR[fn]C[Scribe [-\]: almost same as a joseki
zengcheng [1d\]: B is good
Dreadnaut [29k?\]: good for white
xmintmint [14k\]: good for b
agui [10k\]: better for black
Vanya [10k?\]: much better for black
gravity [13k\]: b  is best
zengcheng [1d\]: strong and get more
Scribe [-\]: much better for Black than the game
]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[dh]CR[dh]LB[bl:A][bm:B]C[Scribe [-\]: Black got big corner
halflife [3k?\]: /WE
zengcheng [1d\]: C8
]
(;W[]C[Scribe [-\]: Black has nice attack against White
zengcheng [1d\]: dangerous for w
]
;B[bl]CR[bl]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
;B[bj]CR[bj]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[ck]CR[ck])
(;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[bh]CR[bh]
;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[db]CR[db]))
(;W[em]CR[em]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[en]CR[en]
;W[fn]CR[fn]
;B[eo]CR[eo]C[Scribe [-\]: still okay for Black
Tianren246: still danger for w
]
(;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[el]CR[el]C[zengcheng [1d\]: too much cut points for w
]
;W[fm]CR[fm]
;B[ek]CR[ek]C[anth0ny [23k\]: Black can attack
])
(;W[el]CR[el]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[bm]CR[bm])))
(;W[br]CR[br]
;B[bn]CR[bn]
;W[aq]CR[aq]
;B[ao]CR[ao]
;W[cs]CR[cs]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[eq]CR[eq]C[yithril [5k\]: j5?
]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[fr]CR[fr]C[zengcheng [1d\]: so whats good move for W here?
]
;W[es]CR[es]
;B[io]CR[io]C[Scribe [-\]: Black happy to have white live in the corner
gravity [13k\]: j5 nice!
])))
(;W[co]CR[co]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[cl]CR[cl]C[gravity [13k\]: looked great :)
anth0ny [23k\]: yeah
Scribe [-\]: simple effective way to play
Vanya [10k?\]: wga
]))
(;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[bo]CR[bo]C[saodiseng [2d\]: same thing
friiik [10k\]: same result
Vanya [10k?\]: sorry
]
;B[bp]CR[bp]C[anth0ny [23k\]: same
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[Tianren246: same
]
;B[bq]CR[bq]C[seidelin [9k\]: nice
Bodo212 [15k\]: thx
zengcheng [1d\]: the same
]))
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[Vanya [10k?\]: it gives ko
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]LB[ob:B][oc:A]C[Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu prefers Black adding the p17 move
Soul [11k\]: this sequence helps black to make D16 effective, right?
]))
(;W[kd]CR[kd]
(;B[kc]CR[kc]C[aditsu [7k?\]: he said f13
]
;W[ke]CR[ke]C[aditsu [7k?\]: no good
]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[SirToby [7k\]: perhaps white should wedge in and ply a ladderblock at d12
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[Scribe [-\]: check the ladder
]
(;W[id]CR[id])
(;W[eh]CR[eh]C[SirToby [7k\]: yes
usagi [3k\]: yea
]))
(;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
(;B[me]CR[me]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[Vanya [10k?\]: this invasion helps b to defend R9 group
icebucket [17k\]: yes extend first.  White chicken out and wanted small life
zengcheng [1d\]: big coener
]
;B[je]CR[je]C[Scribe [-\]: sequence if ladder good for White
])
(;B[je]CR[je]C[playmore [2d\]: J14 not better connectin?
xmintmint [14k\]: too close
])))
(;W[kc]CR[kc]C[Scribe [-\]: check ladder before playing L16
]
(;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[ic]CR[ic]LB[md:A]C[icebucket [17k\]: ouch
Scribe [-\]: Hard for Black to kill White with cutting point at n16
])
(;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[le]CR[le]C[Scribe [-\]: another option for white is L17
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[je]CR[je])))
(;W[cl]CR[cl]C[usagi [3k\]: I think you mean E12, sirtoby
])
(;W[fe]CR[fe]C[usagi [3k\]: Well, if your going to consider F13 then pls talk about E12 too
Jing1984 [5k?\]: F - ladder breaker, i guess
usagi [3k\]: as a ladder breaker, mingjiu~
]
;B[gc]CR[gc])
(;W[dl]CR[dl]C[Scribe [-\]: okay for White this move
])
(;W[bp]CR[bp]C[Scribe [-\]: also okay 
]))
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[sajmon [7k\]: Dreadnaut: not really
Scribe [-\]: r12 slow move for Black
]
(;W[qp]CR[qp]C[zengcheng [1d\]: joseki
]
;B[qk]CR[qk]C[yithril [5k\]: the first one
Jing1984 [5k?\]: first
agui [10k\]: the first one
Dreadnaut [29k?\]: it's just an old go proverb
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [-\]: black must approarch the lowr right
Dreadnaut [29k?\]: Old go proverb
gravity [13k\]: isnt true dreadnaut
pinpingho [-\]: I would say if you got four corner you resign
])
(;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pp]CR[pp]))
(;B[pn]CR[pn]C[Dakre [2k?\]: and q5 for black?
Vanya [10k?\]: what about kakari D6 for white?
])
(;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[qm]CR[qm]C[gravity [13k\]: too deep?
Scribe [-\]: r5 gives white too good a pincer
zengcheng [1d\]: too close
]))
(;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[ed]CR[ed]C[Scribe [-\]: block on the bigger side
]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[fc]CR[fc]TR[nc][jd]C[Scribe [-\]: this is the wrong way to black
Scribe [-\]: block *
zengcheng [1d\]: thin
Scribe [-\]: two black stones are not useful
apagis [3k\]: what's the counterattack if black E16 in E17 ?
icebucket [17k\]: mojo goneweak groups all over.  sad...
])))
