(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1650]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[jujo]PB[jujo]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2006-09-17]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[whendrik [10k\]: Hello
saodiseng [2d\]: good morning
smudge [13k\]: hi
usagi [3k\]: good morning
SunWuKong [?\]: hi
BigElefant [20k\]: hi
brx [10k?\]: hi
au2 [4k\]: good morning
usagi [3k\]: its 11pm here hehe
Firzen [12k\]: 5pm here
Bodo212 [15k\]: good afternoon
]
(;B[qj]CR[qj]C[aditsu [7k?\]: good evening
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[mrhackett [?\]: are there any comments on those moves?
uurtamo [15k?\]: audio.
Th1nk [24k\]: lol xD
blitzme [6k\]: c3
playmore [2d\]: C3 too painfull
Firzen [12k\]: san-san
gravity [13k\]: san san##
saodiseng [2d\]: r6
ligo [?\]: c3 makes wings bd
zengcheng [1d\]: C 3
Tarkus [13k\]: C3
ligo [?\]: bad
zengcheng [1d\]: W get corner 
gravity [13k\]: but in the game w made a double wing, too
]
(;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[ej]CR[ej]
;W[el]CR[el]
;B[gj]CR[gj]C[anth0ny [23k\]: hello, where do iget the audio sound?
]
;W[fp]CR[fp]C[goblygook [30k?\]: turn on your speakers
uurtamo [15k?\]: through your sound card.
Scribe [-\]: Easy on Black.  White c8 and e8 sones are getting heavy
goblygook [30k?\]: rofl
googlebear [8k\]: check ur speaker settings
anth0ny [23k\]: Do i need some kind of program or registration?
zengcheng [1d\]: how about b 4
icebucket [17k\]: Read what Scribe is syaing then
mover [3k\]: do you have game sounds?
]
(;B[fo]CR[fo]C[mover [3k\]: do you use web client?
blitzme [6k\]: from you comp box
Scribe [-\]: White starts a fight in an area that is easy for Black
Th1nk [24k\]: no u dont, just turn or the sound ^^
googlebear [8k\]: no
Scribe [-\]: Black plays to split White stones
anth0ny [23k\]: now i got sound :D
usagi [3k\]: so for the old style in this game, we can see... the technique gets much better right now, 
icebucket [17k\]: wb
usagi [3k\]: because right now if they start a fight, and they see its not good, then they will try to find a different way
aditsu [7k?\]: when did this game take place?
MBarbr [18k?\]: 1926 i believe
Firzen [12k\]: 1926 i guess
usagi [3k\]: and if the fight is not good for you and you keep going, no - 
aditsu [7k?\]: who are the players?
icebucket [17k\]: 'cause not pick the stones and throw it into ur opps mounth when he/she is laughing
sume [3k?\]: wu chiing quan
]
(;W[eo]CR[eo]C[mover [3k\]: lol
]
;B[ep]CR[ep]C[icebucket [17k\]: Go segen?
]
(;W[fq]CR[fq]C[usagi [3k\]: In korea they have a team tournament, and we just saw it, and that was 1 and a half hours ago-a lot of pros study this game, , so a lot of professionals study this game, and we can play much better than 90 years ago (sorry i am not a professional typer hehe i made mistakes)
usagi [3k\]: there is no ladder here
]
(;B[go]CR[go]C[Scribe [-\]: Wu Qingyuan aka Go Seigen
]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[co]CR[co]C[usagi [3k\]: so whites thought is if b goes for this, black can easily kill w's 2 stones
usagi [3k\]: so w is totally not good. 
]
(;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[er]CR[er]C[usagi [3k\]: so w plays here 
]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[fr]CR[fr]C[zengcheng [1d\]: san san is better
Th1nk [24k\]: Sorry... im not here from beginning. Did i miss smth? IS that a 90 year old game from which pros nowadays learn from ? And they see theyre much better than 90 years ago or what >.>?
usagi [3k\]: so right now no one wants to lose territory, but during that time it was diffe3rent
]
(;B[cn]CR[cn]
(;W[dr]CR[dr]C[zengcheng [1d\]: hello
])
(;W[gm]CR[gm]C[usagi [3k\]: even mr. wu made those tiny mistakes
]
;B[fn]CR[fn]C[usagi [3k\]: because, so easy that white gets life (due to not black d2) so compare this to 
Firzen [12k\]: i just wonder if white could've played C3 as a forcing exchange before plaing D7
usagi [3k\]: One more thing I want you to pay attention is this move.
Winters [11k\]: yes, icebucket - 1926
usagi [3k\]: before black's next move move black plays this move first
Scribe [-\]: f6 good timing...later in the game the two white stones will not be critical and this move will no longer be sente
usagi [3k\]: but right now its good, even though the shape looks a little funny, because the timing is right
]
(;W[em]CR[em]C[usagi [3k\]: whatever white is playing here, w has separated the 2 groups (has 2 weak groups) and very hard to take care of both, one will die certainly
usagi [3k\]: see, the difference is even right now black did not connect
]
(;B[io]CR[io]C[usagi [3k\]: black plays there, then w gets sente to get life.
]
;W[dr]CR[dr]C[murky: What was the playing time then?
usagi [3k\]: black should connect 
icebucket [17k\]: maybe this is his early games.
]
;B[cr]CR[cr]C[Winters [11k\]: Th1nk, Black is Go Seigen, whose games are frequently studied
]
;W[es]CR[es]C[usagi [3k\]: Will w get out first, black takes an exchange, and w takes those stones in sente because black is not alive in the corner yet
icebucket [17k\]: black not life yet . 
Scribe [-\]: Black not alive yet
usagi [3k\]: so we can see this part, mr. wu qing yuan, an 11 years old kid, still has some weak spots
sume [3k?\]: who won?
]
(;B[bk]CR[bk]C[usagi [3k\]: w can try to move at b10 and connect underneath
Scribe [-\]: very good timing for b9
]
;W[bl]CR[bl]C[Th1nk [24k\]:  Sorry... im not here from beginning. Did i miss smth? IS that a 90 year old game from which pros nowadays learn from ? And they see theyre much better than 90 years ago or what >.>?^
]
;B[bq]CR[bq]C[usagi [3k\]: So before black plays one move, he plays b9, it is a very good exchange, and on time
usagi [3k\]: and then make life there
Scribe [-\]: then comes back to b3 to live in the corner
]
;W[hk]CR[hk]
;B[hj]CR[hj]C[Repacse [8k\]: hi
]
;W[gk]CR[gk]
;B[ij]CR[ij]
;W[im]CR[im]
;B[hr]CR[hr]
(;W[gr]CR[gr]C[Firzen [12k\]: hi
]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[gs]CR[gs]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[Scribe [-\]: white lives but black excellent shape after white h3, black h4 variation
]
(;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[cd]CR[cd]C[usagi [3k\]: my audio died~
]
(;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ce]CR[ce]C[Scribe [-\]: create cutting points
]
;W[db]CR[db]C[usagi [3k\]: hi~
]
(;B[ef]CR[ef]
(;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[ff]CR[ff])
(;W[di]CR[di]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
(;B[eg]CR[eg]C[Scribe [-\]: again black is happy if white plays f15
]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[fg]CR[fg]
;W[gg]CR[gg]
;B[gf]CR[gf]C[Scribe [-\]: very difficult for black
]
;W[eh]CR[eh]C[zengcheng [1d\]: I got it,thanks
]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[hf]CR[hf])
(;B[ed]CR[ed]C[usagi [3k\]: i cant transcribe atm im having a conversation in another window, sorry.
]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[eg]CR[eg]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Scribe [-\]: black's plan
]
;B[jl]CR[jl]
;W[fk]CR[fk]
;B[fj]CR[fj]
;W[cm]CR[cm]C[Scribe [-\]: Who is playing White ?
]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[bg]CR[bg]C[Scribe [-\]: White is a top player in China  at the time
]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
(;B[lr]CR[lr])
(;B[np]CR[np]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[lr]CR[lr]C[Scribe [-\]: Black sought to make White heavy with the o4 move
]
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [-\]: and to get sente
]
;B[no]CR[no])
(;W[mn]CR[mn]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Scribe [-\]: these two white stones are too important to let go
]
(;W[nd]CR[nd]C[icebucket [17k\]: Black forces white to protect then get sente!!!
]
;B[nb]CR[nb])
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Scribe [-\]: even at 12, Wu does not worry about a fight and is always seeking sente
Scribe [-\]: r17 works with white thickness on the left, due to thickness white o16 not needed
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[re]CR[re]C[Scribe [-\]: white lives in corner
]
;B[an]CR[an]
;W[am]CR[am]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[fd]CR[fd]C[Dreadnaut [29k?\]: I hopeI'm that good one day
]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[jr]CR[jr]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[cs]CR[cs]
;W[ds]CR[ds]
;B[bm]CR[bm]C[Firzen [12k\]: I guess most of us do
]
;W[pe]CR[pe]C[Scribe [-\]: white mistake
]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[hl]CR[hl]C[icebucket [17k\]: loosing move?
]
;B[fm]CR[fm]
;W[fl]CR[fl]
;B[hn]CR[hn]
;W[hm]CR[hm]
;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[bn]CR[bn]C[zengcheng [1d\]: dead\\
]
;B[ao]CR[ao]C[Scribe [-\]: white q15 is losing move even
]
;W[jm]CR[jm]
;B[km]CR[km]C[icebucket [17k\]: awww.
Scribe [-\]: game over now white stones dea
Firzen [12k\]: ouch
Scribe [-\]: dead
zengcheng [1d\]: lose move q15
Dreadnaut [29k?\]: wow
icebucket [17k\]: @ 125  dang....
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Laoshi
Firzen [12k\]: thank you
saodiseng [2d\]: thank you
Divine [18k\]: thank you 
zengcheng [1d\]: thanks 
icebucket [17k\]: thx  jujo & ING's Foundation
M0kum4 [13k?\]: thx
mover [3k\]: thanks
blitzme [6k\]: thx
anth0ny [23k\]: Thank you
MrFritz [15k\]: ok thans a lot!
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to thte Ing Goe Foundation
gravity [13k\]: next lesson is now, right?
lightstone [8k?\]: thank you
LordRahl [12k\]: thanks
ruger [14k?\]: thx
MBarbr [18k?\]: thanks
Stormer [7k?\]: thank you
thoel [?\]: thank you
MagicMagor [8k\]: thank you
gravity [13k\]: thank you!
Leek [?\]: thx
uurtamo [15k?\]: thank you very much for the lesson.
murky: thanks
Daigoro [26k?\]: thanks
Winters [11k\]: thanks
icebucket [17k\]: & KGS + scribe
BigElefant [20k\]: thank you very much
xmintmint [14k\]: thanks
Vanya [10k?\]: thanks
]))
(;B[pb]CR[pb]))))))
(;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[icebucket [17k\]: usyally B C18
Scribe [-\]: standard combination
]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[zengcheng [1d\]: why not cut first
]
(;W[dj]CR[dj])
(;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[dj]CR[dj]C[icebucket [17k\]: Black get sente
Scribe [-\]: but black is a little thin on the left
])))
(;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ge]CR[ge]C[Scribe [-\]: Black is happy
]))
(;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[dg]CR[dg]))
(;W[hq]CR[hq]C[Firzen [12k\]: J2
sume [3k?\]: G2
uurtamo [15k?\]: J3
xmintmint [14k\]: g2
zengcheng [1d\]: J2
usagi [3k\]: sorry if it was messy i didnt notice until now.. Oh ok
]
(;B[ir]CR[ir]C[Grimley [5k\]: g2
Scribe [-\]: keep going usagi you are doing well ;)
]
;W[gr]CR[gr]C[usagi [3k\]: ok so scribe is doing it now, i will stop hehe
sume [3k?\]: G2
]
;B[hp]CR[hp]
;W[gs]CR[gs])
(;B[hp]CR[hp]C[usagi [3k\]: So this is a test, can W move here?
Scribe [-\]: best move
]
;W[gr]CR[gr]C[usagi [3k\]: So it looks better than in the game
]
;B[iq]CR[iq]C[usagi [3k\]: this is trhe best move
]
;W[gs]CR[gs])))
(;B[bq]CR[bq]C[Scribe [-\]: must
sume [3k?\]: B9
]
;W[bj]CR[bj]C[Firzen [12k\]: B6?
sume [3k?\]: B9
Firzen [12k\]: ö B8
usagi [3k\]: because the corner, black is not alive yet, black must play one move. So mr. wu is good at timing, and mr wu did not go b3 right away, 
Firzen [12k\]: ^^
]))
(;B[dr]CR[dr]C[icebucket [17k\]: Wu style is to settle quickly.  
]))
(;W[fm]CR[fm]C[murky: empty tiangle
usagi [3k\]: why, because if black playts it later on white will answer there
])))
(;B[dr]CR[dr]C[usagi [3k\]: So this is the real ghame, black plays this
usagi [3k\]: actually, it would be more easy for b to just connect here
]
;W[hp]CR[hp]
;B[cn]CR[cn]C[Firzen [12k\]: i just wonder if white could've played C3 as a forcing exchange before plaing D7
sume [3k?\]: who won
usagi [3k\]: compare the real game to black just connect, definately this is better
]
(;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[fm]CR[fm]C[Th1nk [24k\]: ah ok thx
])
(;W[gm]CR[gm]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[em]CR[em]
;B[hn]CR[hn]C[icebucket [17k\]: black is wu?
Scribe [-\]: f6 sente move
usagi [3k\]: First its hard for white to do nobi at h5 the left side is almost dead, if this way blacks comes out, he will separate whites two groups
usagi [3k\]: its hard for white to take care of both - still good for b
Scribe [-\]: white split into two weak groups
usagi [3k\]: and black already made a big corner
googlebear [8k\]: its a game for study   does it matter who??
icebucket [17k\]: yes
usagi [3k\]: the left corner almost 13, 14 points there. and white had 2 weak groups
])))
(;W[cp]CR[cp]C[usagi [3k\]: thats why black nobi, then white blocks, black hanes here.. First.. this is not right, because there is a ladder. not good for W
]
;B[dn]CR[dn]C[Scribe [-\]: not good for wtie
]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[em]CR[em]
;W[fn]CR[fn]
;B[fm]CR[fm])
(;W[cn]CR[cn]C[Scribe [-\]: easy kill of whtie stones on bottom
]
;B[cp]CR[cp]C[usagi [3k\]: So W wont cut
]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[hq]CR[hq]))
(;B[en]CR[en]
;W[do]CR[do]))
(;W[do]CR[do]))
(;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[go]CR[go]C[anth0ny [23k\]: Okay, Still i can't here anything
]
;B[eo]CR[eo]C[blitzme [6k\]: go out and in somethimes it works
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]C[anth0ny [23k\]: do i need some settings?
Scribe [-\]: alternate for White better than real game
Th1nk [24k\]: join the game again maybe
icebucket [17k\]: just READ what Scribe is writing.
]
;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[eq]CR[eq]C[uurtamo [15k?\]: or just read what "Scribe" is writing and try to relax.
]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[gn]CR[gn]
;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[fm]CR[fm]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[bi]CR[bi]
;W[mq]CR[mq]C[Scribe [-\]: Two white stones dead
zengcheng [1d\]: W is good than last change
Scribe [-\]: White makes corner points and has sente
]))
(;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[fn]CR[fn]C[mover [3k\]: maybe no audio on web client
]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[anth0ny [23k\]: No i got Cgoban
icebucket [17k\]: take off your ipod head set
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[hp]CR[hp]C[anth0ny [23k\]: done, but i can't here anything
Scribe [-\]: Black attacks the White stones....okay for Black
]))
(;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]C[blitzme [6k\]: hehe
Repacse [8k\]: :-)
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[bq]CR[bq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]))
(;B[fc]CR[fc]
(;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[iq]CR[iq])
(;W[kc]CR[kc])))
