(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2006-08-06]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[wizzydude [21k\]: hihi
wizzydude [21k\]: ^^
jantiff [-\]: nihao mingjiu !
mingjiu [7p\]: hi
Shikasta [13k\]: hi
Soul [12k\]: Hello
LemoNT [-\]: mingjiu laoshi hao
xDarigaaz [5k?\]: Hi
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: hi
lepinskie [5k?\]: hello )
Inkognito [2k?\]: hi
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: yes
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: hehe
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Mingjiu !
Wook [-\]: we are here :) How are you mingjiu?
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: ok
Wook [-\]: if you got 10 ways you are 30k :)
Vanya [10k?\]: yes
]
(;B[qa]CR[qa]C[Scribe [-\]: No Scribe next week...Scribe goes to US Go Congress
]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[wizzydude [21k\]: so i will translate instead
wizzydude [21k\]: ^^
Scribe [-\]: No Scribe on august 13th either
]
;AW[pd][qf][rg][qh]C[Scribe [-\]: Please send transcript to scribe@bresler.org 
Scribe [-\]: Homework !
Scribe [-\]: How many ways can White kill Black ?
hansb [5k?\]: a bit
butterdish: I did homework
Scribe [-\]: Yes see you there !
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: 3?
wizzydude [21k\]: isent there congress in israel?
wizzydude [21k\]: :p
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: 3?
wizzydude [21k\]: the go here is weak
Wook [-\]: scribe keep up the habit of writing everything down for mingjiu at the congress :)
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: 3 ?
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: 3 ways?
hansb [5k?\]: two ways
wizzydude [21k\]: s15?
wizzydude [21k\]: lol
sume [3k?\]: yes
butterdish: I counted 3 ways to kill and 5 ways to make ko
Zark [2k\]: 1?
Scribe [-\]: Scribe hopes to beat Jie Li (ROFL)
playgo [7k\]: 1
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: 3
sume [3k?\]: 2
jantiff [-\]: at least 3
sume [3k?\]: s15
Zark [2k\]: s18
hansb [5k?\]: S18 or T16
LemoNT [-\]: S18
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: S15 S18 
kirisute [?\]: S18 or T18 
]
;B[]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: T16 
kirisute [?\]: trick questions :-)
butterdish: t16 or t15
hansb [5k?\]: T16
sume [3k?\]: s15
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: ok
Scribe [-\]: three ways to kill Black
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: yes
sume [3k?\]: kill
saodiseng [2d\]: t17?
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: if you got the right answer dan level...1 maybe 2
butterdish: no, just patient!
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: cool
Scribe [-\]: found two ways kyu level
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: hehe
]
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[hansb [5k?\]: T18
LemoNT [-\]: T18
]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[re]CR[re]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: T17 
Scribe [-\]: White dies
kirisute [?\]: S14
saodiseng [2d\]: tenuki
hansb [5k?\]: T15
LemoNT [-\]: T15
Scribe [-\]: tenuki is correct
jantiff [-\]: yes
kirisute [?\]: ... :-)
Scribe [-\]: Black gote death
])
(;W[sd]CR[sd]C[sume [3k?\]: e15
sume [3k?\]: s15
oibbi [6k\]: s18
sume [3k?\]: yes
saodiseng [2d\]: s18?
]
;B[re]CR[re]C[hansb [5k?\]: T18
sume [3k?\]: s15
]
(;W[sb]CR[sb]C[sume [3k?\]: koi
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: T18 
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: S17 
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: ko
butterdish: no s18
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: R17 
Vanya [10k?\]: undo
sume [3k?\]: s15
]
;W[rc]CR[rc])
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[Scribe [-\]: t18 is white error
]
;W[se]CR[se]C[jantiff [-\]: ok
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: ho yes
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: yep
Scribe [-\]: works
Scribe [-\]: white must play s18
]))
(;W[se]CR[se]C[sume [3k?\]: s15
]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[sf]CR[sf]
;B[sd]CR[sd]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: S18 
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: S18 
butterdish: s18
sume [3k?\]: s18
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[Scribe [-\]: black dies again
Scribe [-\]: s18 is key move
])
(;W[re]CR[re]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: yes
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: this too
sume [3k?\]: works
butterdish: ko
saodiseng [2d\]: s18
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: becos the key move
Vanya [10k?\]: ko
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: work
kirisute [?\]: S18
sume [3k?\]: black
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: yes
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[Scribe [-\]: ko
]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[sc]CR[sc])
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: no
Scribe [-\]: no good
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: no work
])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: no
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[sume [3k?\]: no
])
(;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[saodiseng [2d\]: ko
]
(;W[rb]CR[rb]C[Scribe [-\]: ko
]
;B[ra]CR[ra])
(;W[sa]CR[sa]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[sd]CR[sd]C[Scribe [-\]: black lives
])))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: hehehe
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[lepinskie [5k?\]: bah, kobayashi~
]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[pm]CR[pm]C[Scribe [-\]: Kobayashi fuseki
]
(;W[qm]CR[qm]
(;B[mp]CR[mp]LB[kc:F][nc:B][jd:C][qg:A][ok:D][op:G][hq:E][oq:H]TR[on]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: i see thet fuseki alot of times
kirisute [?\]: O17
saodiseng [2d\]: o17
whendrik [11k\]: i want to help right side of white
bogklug [6k\]: k16
playgo [7k\]: O17 
Zark [2k\]: k17
Vanya [10k?\]: O17 
whendrik [11k\]: P9
playgo [7k\]: H3 
birne [1k\]: Is L17 possible?
Wook [-\]: Is "oh my god" chinese for "bad move"? :)
Grimley [6k\]: birne: L17 is double low wing; can't be good
hansb [5k?\]: is P4 sente?
kirisute [?\]: grimley, it's white's move
Grimley [6k\]: oh..:) sorry
Scribe [-\]: p4 is sente
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: make stronger black
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: P4 
Scribe [-\]: if white p4, black p3, good exchange for Black
Scribe [-\]: timing is bad too early
lepinskie [5k?\]: mingjiu's move?  K10 =D
ligo [?\]: f17
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: (:
kirisute [?\]: Q6
Yippie [6k\]: at b q6
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: yep
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: R14  i think is better 
Scribe [-\]: to attack r11, but better to attack r11 by playing at r14
]
(;W[fd]CR[fd]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: i think slow
saodiseng [2d\]: slow
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: but i dont sure
Scribe [-\]: strange move
toepk [20k?\]: passive
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: too slow
Vanya [10k?\]: greedy
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: i think
lepinskie [5k?\]: steady
whendrik [11k\]: maybe otherthing is urgent
hansb [5k?\]: R13
Yippie [6k\]: so the ladder is why he played f16?
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: me too
kirisute [?\]: doesn't allow ladder break
Vanya [10k?\]: mouse slip
Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu does not understand f16 move?  defends ladders ?  territory on side ?
Scribe [-\]: c11 now is good move for Black
kirisute [?\]: after white F16, why is C11 so good for black?
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]LB[cf:A][cl:B]C[Scribe [-\]: better to play c14 to take the corner
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: miei
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: miai
Scribe [-\]: Black has both c14 and c8 options
kirisute [?\]: but w has O17?
Scribe [-\]: hard to attack the single black stone
Scribe [-\]: exchange good for black
]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[jantiff [-\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: white needs to keep the r14 option alive
])
(;W[qf]CR[qf])
(;W[ck]CR[ck]C[Scribe [-\]: white takes sente after black blocks at b14 following c14
]
(;B[cf]CR[cf]LB[bd:A]C[kirisute [?\]: C15
Scribe [-\]: o17 invites Black to fix his weakness at r14
hansb [5k?\]: looking for a base
Scribe [-\]: same as White getting two moves both b15 and r14
xDarigaaz [5k?\]: so black is weaker then 10k :)
]
;W[be]CR[be]C[jantiff [-\]: he could slide at B16 instead ?
Grimley [6k\]: is b16 an option instead of c14?
birne [1k\]: i agree, but I was very surprised!
Vanya [10k?\]: is B15 better than C15 ?
kirisute [?\]: E11 instead?
Scribe [-\]: b16 is huge move
]
(;B[bf]CR[bf]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: yes me too
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[Scribe [-\]: Black must tenuki after C14
])
(;B[ef]CR[ef]C[Scribe [-\]: gote move
Scribe [-\]: very bad move by Black
Scribe [-\]: and bad shape
belcebu [4k?\]: if c15... tebuki too?
]
(;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[qf]TR[cf][ef][qf]C[kirisute [?\]: good for black again?
Scribe [-\]: Black lost a lot on the left conpared with what should have been
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[birne [1k\]: after b R17
]
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[kc]CR[kc]C[Scribe [-\]: proper 
Scribe [-\]: standard sequence
birne [1k\]: thanks
])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[Scribe [-\]: proper for white to play at p17 in response to r17
]
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[pe]CR[pe]C[Vanya [10k?\]: P17 
Scribe [-\]: ladder
])
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[Scribe [-\]: fuseki is good for Black, the corner is very small
birne [1k\]: was q17 a good move to begin with?
]
(;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[ra]CR[ra]C[Scribe [-\]: can live
Scribe [-\]: but corner is small
Scribe [-\]: very small
Scribe [-\]: Black's outside is better
Vanya [10k?\]: is S16 sente?
]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[Nezumi [5k?\]: d2
Grimley [6k\]: yes s16 is sente
Scribe [-\]: d2 would be bad timing
Scribe [-\]: need to help to two single stones
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re])
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[rc]TR[qc][rc]C[Scribe [-\]: White has tesuji to kill the two Black stones
Scribe [-\]: where is it ?
Zark [2k\]: dosen't work now
Inkognito [2k?\]: r15
]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [-\]: dan level tesuji
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Zark [2k\]: cool
yithril [5k\]: nice
Utawareru [19k?\]: :)
Grimley [6k\]: nice
saodiseng [2d\]: not good for this game?
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[Grimley [6k\]: but horrible result:)
birne [1k\]: that looks terrible for white
Scribe [-\]: White protects the three stones before killing the two black stones
Scribe [-\]: result is very good fro Black
Scribe [-\]: outside is very strong
Scribe [-\]: black will develop easily
]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[]
;W[ok]CR[ok]C[lepinskie [5k?\]: heh
])
(;W[cg]CR[cg]TR[ob][oc][qc][pd][cf][ef][ci]C[Scribe [-\]: game
birne [1k\]: Mr. Jinag: what if white played P17?
Zark [2k\]: j16
Scribe [-\]: q17 was a so-so move
birne [1k\]: OK :) thanks
Scribe [-\]: white seeks to split black
Vanya [10k?\]: D12 ?
]
(;B[eh]CR[eh]C[Vanya [10k?\]: D13 
Scribe [-\]: Black must save the c11 stone....it is bigger than both c14 and e14 together
]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[ei]CR[ei]C[Scribe [-\]: black is very busy
yithril [5k\]: f12?
]
(;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[ch]CR[ch]C[Zark [2k\]: poor black
Scribe [-\]: real game
swilks [6k\]: white
Yippie [6k\]: w
Vanya [10k?\]: whit
dziobo [8k\]: white
jantiff [-\]: w
yithril [5k\]: w
Cutrone [14k\]: w
Scribe [-\]: White is better
])
(;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[bh]CR[bh]))
(;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[dh]CR[dh]
;W[di]CR[di])
(;B[ei]CR[ei]LB[ci:A]TR[qb]C[Kennabee [3k\]: C11
Scribe [-\]: e11 is proper move
Scribe [-\]: r18 is big mistake for White
lepinskie [5k?\]:  clear
hansb [5k?\]: clear
hansb [5k?\]: and very interesting
]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[fi]CR[fi]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[hi]CR[hi]C[Scribe [-\]: black prefers to have c11 and let two go
])))))
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[Scribe [-\]: proper
]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[rd]CR[rd]))
(;W[qf]CR[qf]))
(;B[]
;W[bf]CR[bf]C[Scribe [-\]: attacks black in event of tenuki by Black
]
(;B[ef]CR[ef])
(;B[ei]CR[ei]C[Shikasta [13k\]: e13 better?
kirisute [?\]: :-)
Scribe [-\]: e11 better than 10 kyu move :)
]))
(;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [-\]: proper move for Black after c14
]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
(;B[ei]CR[ei])
(;B[ef]CR[ef])))
(;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[bc]CR[bc]C[Scribe [-\]: cutting remains at c14
]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ae]CR[ae]
;B[bd]CR[bd]C[Scribe [-\]: Balck lives easy in corner
])
(;B[bd]CR[bd]C[Scribe [-\]: proper move for Black to live in corner
jantiff [-\]: B15 yes
]
(;W[cc]CR[cc]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: yes
]
;B[cf]CR[cf])
(;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[db]CR[db]))
(;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bd]CR[bd]C[jantiff [-\]: i like too
]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ed]CR[ed])))
(;W[jj]CR[jj]C[lepinskie [5k?\]: jk
au2 [4k\]: w D2
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: hehe
Vanya [10k?\]: Q8?
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: hehehe
babysitter [18k?\]: d10
])
(;W[]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[hansb [5k?\]: push through and cut then ladder
]
;W[pl]CR[pl])
(;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[ci]CR[ci]C[birne [1k\]: thanks
Scribe [-\]: sequence better for Black than WHite
])
(;W[cf]CR[cf]C[Scribe [-\]: r14 is good move for balck
Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu would play at c14
]
(;B[qf]CR[qf]C[Scribe [-\]: White got the middle point between the two corners that are same
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]TR[dd][pd][cf][qf]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: but timing of r14 now is wrong, white needs c14 first
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: yea
Zark [2k\]: intresting
Scribe [-\]: very nice shape for White
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: white have alot of potential
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: no?
])
(;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[jantiff [-\]: interesting
Scribe [-\]: good sequence for White
]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[Scribe [-\]: now r14 is good timing
]
;W[oi]CR[oi]))
(;W[qg]CR[qg])
(;W[qf]CR[qf]TR[qk][qm][pn][qn]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
(;B[fc]CR[fc])
(;B[]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[Scribe [-\]: common sequence may allow Black to play f17 later
Scribe [-\]: this good for White
Scribe [-\]: p14 bigger than k17
birne [1k\]: why not W k17 first?
])))
(;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[Scribe [-\]: white so many moves....so little result
]
;B[po]CR[po]C[Scribe [-\]: black will play this immediately if the ladder is good for Black
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: Q5  is not slow?
Scribe [-\]: result is good for Black
Scribe [-\]: no aji against corner
]
;W[nj]CR[nj]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: Q5  is not slow?
]))
(;W[pn]CR[pn]C[Scribe [-\]: white must if ladder good for Black
]))
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rf]CR[rf]C[playgo [7k\]: Wu won ?
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: Homework !
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [-\]: Black tenuki'ed
Scribe [-\]: q18 almost sente
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: S18 
Kleene [6k\]: s18
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: ho
Scribe [-\]: if Black tenuki's White will make a ko to kill Black
Scribe [-\]: 1. how many ways to make ko to kill
Scribe [-\]: 2. which way is the best way
SakiKaki3D [2k?\]: 2 with ko
saodiseng [2d\]: not yet, homework for others
Kikuchyo [?\]: 3 ways I see.
Scribe [-\]: no answers now
lepinskie [5k?\]: okey ) 
Kennabee [3k\]: S18 T18?
Scribe [-\]: Next week is Go Congress
lepinskie [5k?\]: have fun ^^
birne [1k\]: thank you
Vanya [10k?\]: Thank you very much
au2 [4k\]: THANK YOU
Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu will be back on KGS on which day ?
lepinskie [5k?\]: thank you for the lesson
xDarigaaz [5k?\]: thank you very much
Kennabee [3k\]: Thanks
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
au2 [4k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
Soul [12k\]: thank you
wizzydude [21k\]: thank you
Janez [2k\]: thx
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
Cutrone [14k\]: thank you
jantiff [-\]: thank you, mingjiu
au2 [4k\]: Thanks to Scribe
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to KGS
marchetto [6k?\]: thank you
playgo [7k\]: thanks
shangaikid [14k\]: thanks you
bogklug [6k\]: thx
Zark [2k\]: thanks
saodiseng [2d\]: thank you
au2 [4k\]: Thanks to wms and KGS
gbll [30k?\]: thx
Vanya [10k?\]: see you
butterdish: thank you, cheerio
Soul [12k\]: bye
au2 [4k\]: bye bye
Kennabee [3k\]: bye
shangaikid [14k\]: bye
ArCosH [5k\]: thank you for riding amtrak
Shikasta [13k\]: thx
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