(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2006-07-09]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[tosshune [19k\]: hi
clemi [21k?\]: hello
TenukiBoy [7k?\]: hello !
ticktock [13k\]: Hello.
ljl [13k\]: morning
lepinskie [5k?\]: hello
ouigkmy [16k\]: hello, sound ok
xDarigaaz [7k?\]: Hi
vdust [-\]: hello
pel [8k\]: wow
murky: Hi, How are you
pel [8k\]: amazing sound!
emot [10k\]: hello
clemi [21k?\]: clear sound
pel [8k\]: very clear sound, new microphone?
ljl [13k\]: black wins!!!1
Vanya [10k?\]: black wins
xDarigaaz [7k?\]: :)
]
(;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[ad]CR[ad]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
(;W[cc]CR[cc])
(;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[Scribe [-\]: Last week's homework
]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[dd]CR[dd]C[ChwingLufy [5d\]: ^^
]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
(;W[ed]CR[ed]
;AW[fc][gc])
(;AW[gb][ib][ec][gc][ed]C[Small [?\]: black can live
LemoNT [-\]: yes
TenukiBoy [7k?\]: hehe ... well, at least white can get a ko it seems ?
Small [?\]: white can make ko
Tarkam [?\]: kill without ko
rayen [6k\]: kill without kp
rayen [6k\]: ko
romanwahoo [6k\]: kill without ko
])
(;W[ec]CR[ec]C[ChwingLufy [5d\]: easy one:)
]
;AW[gb][gc][ed]C[Scribe [-\]: Homework !
rayen [6k\]: easy :P
pel [8k\]: yup :)
ChwingLufy [5d\]: finish:)
Tarkam [?\]: white turn ;)
ChwingLufy [5d\]: no sounfd?
LemoNT [-\]: nope?
mecusi [14k\]: ?
WingZeros [14k\]: maybe hes just not talking ;)
])))
(;AB[pd]C[Scribe [-\]: New Game
Vanya [10k?\]: hello
]
(;B[qf]CR[qf])
(;B[]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[og]CR[og]C[ChwingLufy [5d\]: i know hos to kil  black^^
tosshune [19k\]: yep
]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[re]CR[re]C[murky: Q17 is brilliant
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Small [?\]: O15 P16 O16 
Vanya [10k?\]: Q17 
pel [8k\]: complex = fun
pel [8k\]: :)
]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[Scribe [-\]: better for Black
murky: no
clemi [21k?\]: it's ok
TenukiBoy [7k?\]: can't white s16 instead of r17 ?
Small [?\]: very complex
]
(;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[ne]CR[ne])
(;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[qb]CR[qb])
(;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[ChwingLufy [5d\]: what is the level of the first problem?
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[Vanya [10k?\]: almost
ChwingLufy [5d\]: ok
tosshune [19k\]: nice
ChwingLufy [5d\]: ^^
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[Scribe [-\]: r18 is critical
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[Scribe [-\]: better for Black
])
(;W[oc]CR[oc]C[tosshune [19k\]: p16
]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
(;W[rf]CR[rf])
(;W[md]CR[md]C[Scribe [-\]: depends on ladder
]
(;B[qg]CR[qg]C[yayoyi [9k\]: q18 first ?
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [-\]: white will kill Blacfk
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
(;B[lc]CR[lc]C[Scribe [-\]: white kills black
]
;W[ng]CR[ng])
(;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[lc]CR[lc]))
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[rf]CR[rf]C[Scribe [-\]: same theme as before
])
(;B[qg]CR[qg]
(;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[ob]CR[ob])
(;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[ob]CR[ob])
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[Scribe [-\]: good for black
])))))
(;W[od]CR[od]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]))
(;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[od]CR[od]C[rayen [6k\]: O14  bad aji
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Small [?\]: good for b
rayen [6k\]: I like white
Scribe [-\]: better for White
]))
(;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
(;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qb]CR[qb]C[jantiff [?\]: R17
ChwingLufy [5d\]: ^^
yayoyi [9k\]: ghost
yayoyi [9k\]: :)
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[sa]CR[sa]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[se]CR[se]C[Scribe [-\]: white dead
])
(;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[rayen [6k\]: white
Vanya [10k?\]: black
]
(;B[rh]CR[rh]C[Vanya [10k?\]: Q11 
]
;W[oi]CR[oi]TR[of][pf][og]C[LemoNT [-\]: white
Small [?\]: N14 ?
jantiff [?\]: w
yayoyi [9k\]: n14 ?
]
;B[ri]CR[ri])
(;B[jd]CR[jd])
(;B[pj]CR[pj])))))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
(;W[qf]CR[qf]
(;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
(;B[og]CR[og]C[jantiff [?\]: no
Scribe [-\]: black needs stones at either end
]
(;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[of]CR[of]
(;W[oe]CR[oe]C[Pasukaru [7k\]: hand of god! mingjiu found it :P
]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[Scribe [-\]:  this is okay for black only with k16 or q10
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
(;B[jd]CR[jd])
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [-\]: this fighting good for white
]))
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Sekimoto [5k\]: yes
Vanya [10k?\]: yes
lepinskie [5k?\]: clear
brx [10k?\]: yes, thaznks
Sekimoto [5k\]: ya
RetroGen [17k\]: Yeah (right :)
]))
(;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[ng]CR[ng])
(;W[oh]CR[oh]C[Vanya [10k?\]: R13 
Zark [3k\]: r13
brx [10k?\]: r13
Vanya [10k?\]: Q12 and connect
brx [10k?\]: doesnt it depend on what is on Q$?
]
(;B[of]CR[of]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[ph]CR[ph]C[Vanya [10k?\]: no
ljl [13k\]: not if ur black
])
(;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
(;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[sf]CR[sf]C[Scribe [-\]: white can play q18 to affect corner
]
;W[ng]CR[ng]LB[pb:A]C[jantiff [?\]: ourgh
ljl [13k\]:  I like black
jantiff [?\]: poor b
Vanya [10k?\]: seems better for black
lepinskie [5k?\]: b
Zark [3k\]: even?
brx [10k?\]: b
yfh2 [8k?\]: depends bottom right
clemi [21k?\]: it seems better for whie
ljl [13k\]: black has sente?
Scribe [-\]: whites wall is huge
Scribe [-\]: outside move valuable than the corner
])
(;B[rf]CR[rf]
(;W[of]CR[of]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[ng]CR[ng]LB[qh:A][rh:B]C[brx [10k?\]: what O13 for?
])
(;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
(;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[qd]CR[qd]TR[og]C[jantiff [?\]: very nice
])
(;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
(;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[LGD [18k?\]: ko
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[se]CR[se]C[Scribe [-\]: ko for life
])
(;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
(;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[]
;W[qm]CR[qm])
(;W[]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[]
;B[pn]CR[pn])))
(;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
(;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[sf]CR[sf]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc])
(;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[sg]CR[sg])))))))
(;B[of]CR[of]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
(;W[qi]CR[qi]
(;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[pe]CR[pe])
(;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[od]CR[od]))
(;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [-\]: balck will kill the two white stones
])
(;W[ph]CR[ph]
(;B[nd]CR[nd])
(;B[og]CR[og]
;W[oh]CR[oh]C[Vanya [10k?\]: white
TenukiBoy [7k?\]: w
clemi [21k?\]: white's better
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]LB[og:A][oh:B]C[Scribe [-\]: q12 fixes white problem with cut at r13
Scribe [-\]: black needs to fix cut at q15
Vanya [10k?\]: sure
lepinskie [5k?\]: clear
Scribe [-\]: p13 for p12 is very  bad exchange for black
]))
(;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[pk]CR[pk]C[Scribe [-\]: q12 is good move for white in this situation
])
(;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[qg]CR[qg]))
(;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
(;W[og]CR[og]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[nd]CR[nd])
(;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[nd]CR[nd])
(;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[ph]CR[ph]C[Sekimoto [5k\]: heh
])))
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[og]CR[og]
(;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
]
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[ljl [13k\]: the other wall was not better for black?
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[rh]CR[rh]C[Scribe [-\]: black needs to hane at r17
])
(;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ph]CR[ph]C[Scribe [-\]: to save the q13 stone....joseki
]))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[ni]CR[ni]))
(;W[ph]CR[ph]C[Scribe [-\]: white play in corner determines the fate of the q13 white stone
]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[oh]CR[oh])))
(;W[]
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[og]CR[og])
(;B[]TB[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ab][bb][cb][db][eb][fb][gb][hb][ib][jb][kb][lb][mb][nb][ob][pb][qb][rb][sb][ac][bc][cc][dc][ec][fc][gc][hc][ic][jc][kc][lc][mc][nc][oc][pc][qc][rc][sc][ad][bd][cd][dd][ed][fd][gd][hd][id][jd][kd][ld][md][nd][od][qd][rd][sd][ae][be][ce][de][ee][fe][ge][he][ie][je][ke][le][me][ne][oe][pe][qe][re][se][af][bf][cf][df][ef][ff][gf][hf][if][jf][kf][lf][mf][nf][of][pf][qf][rf][sf][ag][bg][cg][dg][eg][fg][gg][hg][ig][jg][kg][lg][mg][ng][og][pg][qg][rg][sg][ah][bh][ch][dh][eh][fh][gh][hh][ih][jh][kh][lh][mh][nh][oh][ph][qh][rh][sh][ai][bi][ci][di][ei][fi][gi][hi][ii][ji][ki][li][mi][ni][oi][pi][qi][ri][si][aj][bj][cj][dj][ej][fj][gj][hj][ij][jj][kj][lj][mj][nj][oj][pj][qj][rj][sj][ak][bk][ck][dk][ek][fk][gk][hk][ik][jk][kk][lk][mk][nk][ok][pk][qk][rk][sk][al][bl][cl][dl][el][fl][gl][hl][il][jl][kl][ll][ml][nl][ol][pl][ql][rl][sl][am][bm][cm][dm][em][fm][gm][hm][im][jm][km][lm][mm][nm][om][pm][qm][rm][sm][an][bn][cn][dn][en][fn][gn][hn][in][jn][kn][ln][mn][nn][on][pn][qn][rn][sn][ao][bo][co][do][eo][fo][go][ho][io][jo][ko][lo][mo][no][oo][po][qo][ro][so][ap][bp][cp][dp][ep][fp][gp][hp][ip][jp][kp][lp][mp][np][op][pp][qp][rp][sp][aq][bq][cq][dq][eq][fq][gq][hq][iq][jq][kq][lq][mq][nq][oq][pq][qq][rq][sq][ar][br][cr][dr][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][nr][or][pr][qr][rr][sr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[WingZeros [14k\]: black wwins
murky: B wins
rayen [6k\]: :p
tablescrap [8k?\]: heh
Zark [3k\]: black wins!
Small [?\]: lol
pel [8k\]: O.O
]))
(;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[op]CR[op]
(;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[no]CR[no]
(;W[on]CR[on])
(;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[on]CR[on]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[nq]CR[nq])
(;W[po]CR[po]C[Sekimoto [5k\]: never seen
FransCV [11k\]: no
Vanya [10k?\]: you know
ljl [13k\]: o4?
Vanya [10k?\]: N4 
]
(;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
(;W[or]CR[or]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
(;B[lo]LB[lo:B][lp:A]C[TenukiBoy [7k?\]: hehe
rayen [6k\]: M4 hurt
])
(;B[lq]CR[lq]
;W[mo]CR[mo]C[rayen [6k\]: no
rayen [6k\]: horrible
Sekimoto [5k\]: nop
]))
(;W[mo]CR[mo]C[Sekimoto [5k\]: hm
Vanya [10k?\]: M3 
Scribe [-\]: the way to punish white n5
]
(;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[qr]CR[qr])
(;B[lq]CR[lq]
(;W[or]CR[or]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]C[Scribe [-\]: what is the contuation for black \\?
])
(;W[nr]CR[nr]
(;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[om]CR[om])
(;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[mn]CR[mn]C[Vanya [10k?\]: N7 
]
;B[nm]CR[nm]
(;W[ln]CR[ln]
;B[kp]CR[kp])
(;W[mm]CR[mm]
;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[kn]CR[kn]
;B[kp]CR[kp]C[Scribe [-\]: key move for black to play o7
Scribe [-\]: it is okay for black
]))
(;B[mm]CR[mm]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[jo]CR[jo]
;B[gq]CR[gq]C[Vanya [10k?\]: even better for black
Zelda23 [19k\]: steel good for b
])))
(;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[Sekimoto [5k\]: no
rayen [6k\]: now I like black
Scribe [-\]: q5 is not a joseki move
]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
(;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[qr]CR[qr]C[FransCV [11k\]: no
Vanya [10k?\]: no
]
(;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qn]CR[qn])
(;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[mm]CR[mm]C[Sekimoto [5k\]: yes
FransCV [11k\]: yep
]))
(;B[jq]CR[jq]))))
(;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
(;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[om]CR[om]C[Scribe [-\]: white is better
Zelda23 [19k\]: yeap
])
(;B[on]CR[on]
;W[mn]CR[mn])
(;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[mm]CR[mm]
;W[nl]CR[nl]))))
(;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
(;B[ln]CR[ln])
(;B[iq]CR[iq]
(;W[mo]CR[mo]C[Scribe [-\]: both of these are joski
])
(;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[lo]CR[lo]C[Sekimoto [5k\]: no
]))))
(;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[Sekimoto [5k\]: k
Vanya [10k?\]: yes
Sekimoto [5k\]: yea
lepinskie [5k?\]: clear
wholeboard [7k\]: yes
FransCV [11k\]: yes
TenukiBoy [7k?\]: hmmm ...
]))
(;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[no]CR[no]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[nm]CR[nm]
;W[mm]CR[mm]
;B[nl]CR[nl])
(;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[mm]CR[mm]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[lp]CR[lp]C[Vanya [10k?\]: black stone is better
]
;B[]
(;W[lo]CR[lo]C[Scribe [-\]: white has good continuation
]
;B[pk]CR[pk])
(;W[]C[Vanya [10k?\]: R9 
])
(;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[pk]CR[pk])))