(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2006-07-02]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[sume [4k?\]: hi
rayen [6k\]: Hello
kyurin [1d\]: evening
nik0 [17k?\]: hi
jantiff [?\]: nihao
]
(;B[bb]CR[bb]C[Leg0LaS [20k\]: hello
]
(;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[bc]CR[bc]C[saodiseng [1d\]: hi
]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[dc]CR[dc]C[murky: Hello, Sansei
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[db]CR[db]C[agui [6k?\]: Hello
]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[ga]CR[ga]
;AW[fd][df][ff]C[kyurin [1d\]: no voice commenting?
Rafghost2 [22k\]: ok
kyurin [1d\]: :-\]
Forou [13k?\]: :D
areal [12k\]: homework problem :)
MrFritz [15k\]: hello!
kyurin [1d\]: evening
Forou [13k?\]: Godday!
Forou [13k?\]: goodday :D
sume [4k?\]: seki
seidelin [9k\]: c19
Rafghost2 [22k\]: E17
rayen [6k\]: dead
rayen [6k\]: C19 
rodimos [18k\]: f19
leperenoel [-\]: what is the goal of teh pb?
sume [4k?\]: C19
Sekimoto [5k\]: C19 
rodimos [18k\]: f19
sume [4k?\]: seki
Sekimoto [5k\]: seki
rodimos [18k\]: black dead
Zef [25k?\]: dead
rayen [6k\]: dead
sume [4k?\]: seki
Sekimoto [5k\]: =(
saodiseng [1d\]: ko
sohvan [-\]: ko
sume [4k?\]: I agree
Sekimoto [5k\]: hehe
sume [4k?\]: seki or ko
]
;B[]
(;W[ca]CR[ca]LB[ba:B][fa:D][ab:C][ec:A]C[Scribe [-\]: only choice for the first move
rayen [6k\]: white kills
areal [12k\]: A18 
kyurin [1d\]: A18 
Vanya [11k?\]: E17 
sume [4k?\]: b19
nitram1 [7k\]: a18
rayen [6k\]: A18 
sume [4k?\]: b19 is seki
Rafghost2 [22k\]: E17
Forou [13k?\]: F19
playgo [7k\]: F19 
Sekimoto [5k\]: C
cynewulf [10k?\]: f19
rodimos [18k\]: c
rayen [6k\]: c
Anomen [13k\]: A
kyurin [1d\]: C
nitram1 [7k\]: C
MrFritz [15k\]: e19
Leg0LaS [20k\]: D
glimz [15k\]: tenuki
Zef [25k?\]: A
Shikasta [14k\]: c
leperenoel [-\]: A
Forou [13k?\]: C
kyurin [1d\]: C ( ´ 3 ` )b
Rafghost2 [22k\]: C
]
(;B[ab]CR[ab]C[rayen [6k\]: or wait
Forou [13k?\]: b19
sume [4k?\]: b19
rayen [6k\]: F19 
kyurin [1d\]: B19 
rodimos [18k\]: b19
leperenoel [-\]: B19?
]
(;W[ba]CR[ba]
;B[fa]CR[fa]C[rayen [6k\]: no
]
;W[ec]CR[ec]C[MrFritz [15k\]: b19
]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[Grimley [4k\]: :)
]
;W[da]CR[da]C[rayen [6k\]: seki
swordsplay [4k\]: f19
Forou [13k?\]: seki
Vanya [11k?\]: seki
glimz [15k\]: seki
areal [12k\]: seki
rayen [6k\]: but wrong order ^^
Grimley [4k\]: gote seki
])
(;W[fa]CR[fa]
(;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[da]CR[da])
(;B[da]CR[da]
;W[ba]CR[ba])
(;B[ea]CR[ea]C[swordsplay [4k\]: d19
rayen [6k\]: B19 
]
;W[da]CR[da]
(;B[eb]CR[eb]C[Rafghost2 [22k\]: d19
]
;W[ba]CR[ba]C[swordsplay [4k\]: nm
cynewulf [10k?\]: dead
sume [4k?\]: dead
])
(;B[ec]CR[ec]C[cynewulf [10k?\]: ko
kyurin [1d\]: kou
Forou [13k?\]: KO
Vanya [11k?\]: ko
sume [4k?\]: koi
rayen [6k\]: oh right :p
hansb [5k?\]: B19
leperenoel [-\]: non
nitram1 [7k\]: dead
kyurin [1d\]: hehe
Vanya [11k?\]: two step ko
cynewulf [10k?\]: easy for W
Rafghost2 [22k\]: white can connect
]
;W[sa]CR[sa]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
(;W[eb]CR[eb]C[rayen [6k\]: hard for b :(
])
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[sc]CR[sc])))))
(;B[ec]CR[ec]C[rayen [6k\]: seki
Vanya [11k?\]: seki
]
(;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[fa]CR[fa])
(;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[ea]CR[ea]
;W[da]CR[da]C[Vanya [11k?\]: A18 
]
;B[ba]CR[ba]C[Vanya [11k?\]: direct ko
Forou [13k?\]: oh
Vanya [11k?\]: no
Sekimoto [5k\]: hehe
Vanya [11k?\]: second eye
glimz [15k\]: A18 still need to be played?
]))
(;B[fa]CR[fa]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[ec]CR[ec])
(;B[ba]CR[ba]C[Grimley [4k\]: f19
Vanya [11k?\]: tenuki
seidelin [9k\]: d19
]
(;W[ab]CR[ab]C[sume [4k?\]: f19
]
;B[ec]CR[ec]C[Grimley [4k\]: F19 for white
])
(;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[ab]CR[ab])
(;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[ea]CR[ea]C[Grimley [4k\]: e18
Rafghost2 [22k\]: d19
Sekimoto [5k\]: E17 
leperenoel [-\]: alive
Grimley [4k\]: no e17 sorry
Rafghost2 [22k\]: black is dead
jjermann [15k\]: Rafghost2: ko
]
(;W[eb]CR[eb]C[Grimley [4k\]: misread the coordinates:D
]
;B[ec]CR[ec]C[cynewulf [10k?\]: e17
])
(;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[ab]CR[ab]C[Grimley [4k\]: o::))
])
(;W[da]CR[da]C[tosshune [20k\]: ?
Scribe [-\]: critical move
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[da]CR[da]C[Grimley [4k\]: :)
kyurin [1d\]: nice
leperenoel [-\]: C19?
Forou [13k?\]: lOl
swordsplay [4k\]: hehe
]
(;B[ca]CR[ca]C[Scribe [-\]: critical move at d19 and the follow up throw in at d19
hulken [6k\]: ko again
]
;W[ec]CR[ec]C[Shikasta [14k\]: wow
MrFritz [15k\]: wow
])
(;B[ec]CR[ec]C[seidelin [9k\]: good one
]
;W[eb]CR[eb]C[Sekimoto [5k\]: cool
Scribe [-\]: ko
swordsplay [4k\]: yes
Forou [13k?\]: yes
areal [12k\]: yes
tosshune [20k\]: yep
kyen [?\]: yes
Shikasta [14k\]: yup
Sekimoto [5k\]: ye
reed338 [?\]: clear
kirkbobic [10k\]: clear
kyurin [1d\]: clear
Rafghost2 [22k\]: black will die?
])))))
(;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[ca]CR[ca]))
(;W[ad]CR[ad]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[cd]CR[cd]C[mpk [-\]: medice: just dont drool on it
]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;AW[gb][gc][fd]C[Rafghost2 [22k\]: Would you go to the congress?
kyurin [1d\]: i wish ;-\]
kyurin [1d\]: too busy with work
rayen [6k\]: to expensive ^^
Rafghost2 [22k\]: I want to work there
playgo [7k\]: I smell a ko somewhere
Stormer [7k\]: thanks
kyurin [1d\]: thank you mingjiu sir
Rafghost2 [22k\]: domo
Medice [-\]: thank you
Leg0LaS [20k\]: thx
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu
toepk [30k?\]: thank you
au2 [4k\]: THANKS FOR THE LECTURE
Vanya [11k?\]: thank you
playgo [7k\]: thanks
saodiseng [1d\]: thank you
Ornedan [?\]: Thank you
Rafghost2 [22k\]: sayonara
rayen [6k\]: thx
au2 [4k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
jjermann [15k\]:  bye
]))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
(;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
(;B[og]CR[og]LB[jd:A]C[Rafghost2 [22k\]: yes
swordsplay [4k\]: no?
Scribe [-\]: p13 only makes sense if there is a black stone at k16
fringd [9k\]: :/
]
(;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[of]CR[of]C[egemen [-\]: p 13 is wrong
sohvan [-\]: yes
kyurin [1d\]: never seen P13
seidelin [9k\]: last week
suducodu [?\]: It looks very strange...
hansb [5k?\]: not in a game
]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[qe]CR[qe]C[Scribe [-\]: very complicated
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[re]CR[re]C[hansb [5k?\]: white plays san san
Sekimoto [5k\]: S16 ?
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]LB[od:A][rf:B]C[suducodu [?\]: Black has a double atari?
Scribe [-\]: white has both p16 and s14 moves
]
(;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[od]CR[od]C[Scribe [-\]: good for white result
])
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[suducodu [?\]: Oh, I see
hansb [5k?\]: white P17
hansb [5k?\]: white P17 to begin with
]
(;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[ne]CR[ne])
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Vanya [11k?\]: O16 
Forou [13k?\]: 15o
glimz [15k\]: R18 kills?
friend [6k\]: hahha
]
(;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[ne]CR[ne]LB[od:A][rf:B]C[Vanya [11k?\]: R13 
playgo [7k\]: R18 
hansb [5k?\]: R18?
])
(;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[Rafghost2 [22k\]: no
Vanya [11k?\]: P18 
Sekimoto [5k\]: R18 
Grimley [4k\]: r18?
Rafghost2 [22k\]: black three stones will die
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[tosshune [20k\]: p18
]
(;W[rb]CR[rb]C[Scribe [-\]: corner is huge
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
(;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[md]CR[md]C[Rafghost2 [22k\]: ha
])
(;W[md]CR[md]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[Scribe [-\]: result good for black
]))
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Forou [13k?\]: 017
]
;W[md]CR[md]C[Forou [13k?\]: )17?
]
;B[rc]CR[rc])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[MrFritz [15k\]: o17
]
;B[pa]CR[pa]LB[jd:A][pj:B]C[Scribe [-\]: still good for black
])))
(;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[qb]CR[qb])))
(;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[Rafghost2 [22k\]: r13
]
(;W[od]CR[od]
;B[pc]CR[pc])
(;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
(;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[qi]CR[qi]C[Scribe [-\]: black will kill white
]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[nh]CR[nh]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[md]CR[md])
(;W[me]CR[me]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[nh]CR[nh]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
(;W[pj]CR[pj])
(;W[lf]CR[lf]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [-\]: good for white
Scribe [-\]: with k16 good for black
Forou [13k?\]: complex
seidelin [9k\]: i dont like any of em
]
;B[jd]CR[jd])))))
(;W[ph]CR[ph]C[Rafghost2 [22k\]: r15
fringd [9k\]: p15?
]
(;B[of]CR[of])
(;B[jd]CR[jd]C[fringd [9k\]: r15?
Scribe [-\]: bad idea to play p14 now as black
swordsplay [4k\]: r15 if the ladder good
]
;W[]
(;B[qe]CR[qe])
(;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[oh]CR[oh]C[Scribe [-\]: q14 or p12 is ladder fails black
]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[mg]CR[mg])
(;B[oh]CR[oh]))
(;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[oh]CR[oh]C[fringd [9k\]: hrmm :/
])))
(;B[of]CR[of]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
(;W[qi]CR[qi]
(;B[nd]CR[nd])
(;B[qg]CR[qg])
(;B[]
(;W[pe]CR[pe])
(;W[])
(;W[ss]CR[ss]
(;B[nd]CR[nd])
(;B[nc]CR[nc]))))
(;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[jc]CR[jc])
(;W[]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[ph]CR[ph]C[jantiff [?\]: no !
rayen [6k\]: no
]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[oh]CR[oh]C[Scribe [-\]: o14 bad idea helps white fix her cut at r13
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]LB[og:A][ph:B]C[Scribe [-\]: p13*
]))
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[]
(;B[of]CR[of])
(;B[og]CR[og]C[swordsplay [4k\]: instead of q15 when white plays q12 its always bad for black?
]
(;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[re]CR[re]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[tenrai [-\]: why not black play p15 to counter white?
Schwa [24k?\]: double atari at r13
tenrai [-\]: at first
])
(;W[od]CR[od]
;B[pc]CR[pc]C[mpk [-\]: can you show some joseki related to approaching 4-6 point also?
Forou [13k?\]: Nope
kyurin [1d\]: do you like tricking your opponent?
swordsplay [4k\]: so the result was that there is no good move for black after white extends to q12?
Schwa [24k?\]: no questions for me
]))
(;W[oh]CR[oh]C[kyurin [1d\]: :-\]
Medice [-\]: *drools at homework*
]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[ph]CR[ph]))))
(;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
(;B[og]CR[og]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[Scribe [-\]: white will live in corner
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[qe]CR[qe])
(;B[jd]CR[jd]))
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[og]CR[og]
(;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[of]CR[of]C[Scribe [-\]: better fro white to avoiid this fight with black k16 in place
]
(;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[qe]CR[qe])
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
(;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[Scribe [-\]: better course for white with k16 on board
])
(;W[qc]CR[qc]))
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]C[Scribe [-\]: also joseki
]
(;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ph]CR[ph])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[Forou [13k?\]: still like black better -_-
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[rh]CR[rh])
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[rh]CR[rh]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
Forou [13k?\]: black
kyurin [1d\]: black
glimz [15k\]: B
rayen [6k\]: b
]
(;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[]C[jantiff [?\]: then b
]
;B[df]CR[df])
(;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Scribe [-\]: good for white
]))))))
(;W[ph]CR[ph]C[swordsplay [4k\]: r15?
rayen [6k\]: Q15 ?
Forou [13k?\]: R15
]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qd]CR[qd]))))