(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2006-06-28]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[

guojuan [5p\]: we will start in 6 min.
gertzu [-\]: hi!
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]BL[1943.082]C[

]
(;W[dp]CR[dp]WL[1945.598]
;B[pq]CR[pq]BL[1940.883]
;W[dd]CR[dd]WL[1937.775]
;B[qk]CR[qk]BL[1935.233]C[Rafghost2 [22k\]: yes
kirkbobic [10k\]: yes
MrFritz [15k\]: i like playing it
areal [12k\]: yes, i like it
Ozymandius [12k?\]: I use it a lot
hansb [5k?\]: how to play against it!
glimz [15k\]: I think it sucks :-)
Scribe [-\]: used in 5th game of recent Honinbo
cynewulf [10k?\]: it's popular
kyurin [1d\]: it is very popular among 10-15k's ;-\]
murky: MIngJiu taught quit a bit on this
murky: sound lost?
Zef [25k?\]: (yes)
swordsplay [4k\]: a moyo?
Ozymandius [12k?\]: moyo
hansb [5k?\]: a fight
swordsplay [4k\]: yes
jjermann [15k\]: yes
Joeri2 [17k\]: Black wants white to invade
cynewulf [10k?\]: black wants moyo
Shikasta [14k\]: moyo
Rafghost2 [22k\]: yes
whendrik [12k\]: b want w to come in 
swordsplay [4k\]: we hear you
murky: Yes
Shikasta [14k\]: hi
Vanya [11k?\]: moyo 
rayen [6k\]: moyo
swordsplay [4k\]: a moyo
Forou [13k?\]: black want a hard to attack side
hansb [5k?\]: black want a fight
MrFritz [15k\]: black wants white to invade R5
areal [12k\]: moyo on right side
]
(;W[jd]CR[jd]WL[1930.842]C[evergreen [14k?\]: yes
Grimley [4k\]: black C14 at K4 better?
]
;B[fq]CR[fq]BL[1931.818]
;W[nc]CR[nc]WL[1926.812]
(;B[nd]CR[nd]BL[1927.176]
;W[md]CR[md]WL[1921.968]
;B[ne]CR[ne]BL[1924.901]
;W[oc]CR[oc]WL[1919.234]
;B[pc]CR[pc]BL[1924.114]C[rayen [6k\]: yes
]
(;W[ok]CR[ok]WL[1907.984]C[rayen [6k\]: helps black
hansb [5k?\]: i like it
glimz [15k\]: P9 keeps B flat?
nik0 [17k?\]: nop
TheCapture [11k\]: I don't
cynewulf [10k?\]: bottom's bigger?
friend [6k\]: its ok
seidelin [9k\]: to early
Vanya [11k?\]: R13 is better
agui [6k?\]: I like it
playmore [1d\]: don't like it
MrFritz [15k\]: i would have thought about it..
kirkbobic [10k\]: too early
Ozymandius [12k?\]: not alive so cant really attack
MrFritz [15k\]: would not
]
(;B[oj]CR[oj]BL[1912.406]
;W[nj]CR[nj]WL[1883.307]
;B[pj]CR[pj]BL[1909.572]
;W[ni]CR[ni]WL[1879.546]
(;B[me]CR[me]BL[1907.395]C[swordsplay [4k\]: solidify white?
cynewulf [10k?\]: helps W
Grimley [4k\]: helps white correct his shape
Scribe [-\]: n16 bad move
hansb [5k?\]: thank you move
areal [12k\]: helps white
]
;W[ld]WL[1876.404]TR[ld][me]C[whendrik [12k\]: pushing from behind
hansb [5k?\]: cut is gone
]
(;B[nk]CR[nk]BL[1904.916]
;W[ol]CR[ol]WL[1873.134]
;B[mk]CR[mk]BL[1902.873]
;W[ql]CR[ql]WL[1870.545]
;B[rl]CR[rl]BL[1900.287]
;W[qm]CR[qm]WL[1867.833]
;B[rm]CR[rm]BL[1898.593]
;W[li]CR[li]WL[1849.921]
;B[qn]CR[qn]BL[1895.197]
;W[on]CR[on]WL[1843.931]
;B[pn]CR[pn]BL[1892.688]
;W[om]CR[om]WL[1841.078]
;B[mm]CR[mm]BL[1890.098]
;W[mn]CR[mn]WL[1837.974]
;B[ln]CR[ln]BL[1888.005]
;W[mo]CR[mo]WL[1835.411]
;B[km]CR[km]BL[1882.078]
;W[op]CR[op]WL[1826.395]C[Rafghost2 [22k\]: what if white play o18
]
;B[pp]CR[pp]BL[1879.583]LB[li:1][om:2]C[Scribe [-\]: white has two groups that she must handle
Rafghost2 [22k\]: in the last example
swordsplay [4k\]: bottom
seidelin [9k\]: 2
Forou [13k?\]: 2
agui [6k?\]: 2
cynewulf [10k?\]: 2
Vanya [11k?\]: second one
Scribe [-\]: only one black group could need help
Scribe [-\]: lower white group in danger
swordsplay [4k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: upper white group is outside
MrFritz [15k\]: agree
Forou [13k?\]: well now.. it can change later
kirkbobic [10k\]: black must take a sente
]
;W[pf]CR[pf]WL[1818.963]C[sohvan [-\]: all but the first move?
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]BL[1876.769]
;W[og]WL[1807.901]LB[og:A]C[rayen [6k\]: no
sume [4k?\]: no
friend [6k\]: no
cynewulf [10k?\]: totally alive
areal [12k\]: no
glimz [15k\]: no
Forou [13k?\]: not in danger
agui [6k?\]: no
]
(;B[ng]CR[ng]BL[1868.343]
;W[oh]CR[oh]WL[1795.416]
(;B[qh]CR[qh]BL[1857.5]C[Scribe [-\]: black upper right is already alove
Scribe [-\]: alive*
]
(;W[qg]CR[qg]WL[1789.458]
(;B[ph]CR[ph]BL[1854.961]
;W[rf]CR[rf]WL[1753.088]
;B[of]CR[of]BL[1850.416]
;W[pg]CR[pg]WL[1748.737]
;B[re]CR[re]BL[1845.156]
(;W[rh]CR[rh]WL[1745.364]
(;B[ri]CR[ri]BL[1843.067]C[agui [6k?\]: yes
swordsplay [4k\]: yes
]
;W[od]CR[od]WL[1717.14]C[areal [12k\]: yes
outcast [3k\]: b dun understand wat is a big move, like L4
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]BL[1840.275]C[Forou [13k?\]: yeah
]
(;W[mg]CR[mg]WL[1707.395]C[rayen [6k\]: b follow white to much
]
;B[lf]CR[lf]BL[1833.39]C[Scribe [-\]: white also lost many chances to take sente
glimz [15k\]: what was the level of the players?
kyurin [1d\]: whos game is this?
outcast [3k\]: weak kyu i think
Vanya [11k?\]: perhaps they were short in time
murky: great lecture
Forou [13k?\]: thank you!
MrFritz [15k\]: ok thanks a lot! :)
au2 [4k\]: THANKS FOR THE LECTURE
kyurin [1d\]: thank you
Rafghost2 [22k\]: domo
reed338 [?\]: thank you!!
Denniskutl [9k\]: thank you
nik0 [17k?\]: thx
xDarigaaz [7k?\]: thank you
ruger [13k?\]: thank you
rayen [6k\]: thx
LT [?\]: thx
sume [4k?\]: htx
au2 [4k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
Shikasta [14k\]: thxs loads
jjermann [15k\]: thank you!
Medice [-\]: thanks
glimz [15k\]: thanks a lot!
Vanya [11k?\]: thank you very much for the lecture
]
;W[kg]CR[kg]WL[1702.281]
;B[lg]CR[lg]BL[1829.875]
;W[lh]CR[lh]WL[1699.291]
;B[mh]CR[mh]BL[1827.504]
;W[nh]CR[nh]WL[1685.161]
(;B[mf]CR[mf]BL[1824.462]
;W[kp]CR[kp]WL[1671.322]C[swordsplay [4k\]: poor black..
Scribe [-\]: white destroyed the right side and used sente to escape below
hansb [5k?\]: all the time?
][swordsplay [4k\]: poor black..
]
;B[jq]CR[jq]BL[1791.968]
;W[jp]CR[jp]WL[1666.239]
;B[iq]CR[iq]BL[1789.192]
;W[ip]CR[ip]WL[1663.102]
;B[hp]CR[hp]BL[1778.302]
;W[ho]CR[ho]WL[1658.879]
;B[gp]CR[gp]BL[1774.827]
;W[im]CR[im]WL[1655.062]
;B[jl]CR[jl]BL[1769.331]
;W[kk]CR[kk]WL[1633.26]
;B[kl]CR[kl]BL[1751.473]
;W[lj]CR[lj]WL[1624.011]
;B[lk]CR[lk]BL[1747.832]
;W[jj]CR[jj]WL[1616.656]
;B[ik]CR[ik]BL[1740.338]
;W[kq]CR[kq]WL[1595.171]
;B[nq]CR[nq]BL[1684.526]
;W[np]CR[np]WL[1589.598]
;B[mq]CR[mq]BL[1680.723]
;W[oq]CR[oq]WL[1580.337]
;B[or]CR[or]BL[1679.177]
;W[mp]CR[mp]WL[1560.255]
;B[mr]CR[mr]BL[1674.994]
;W[kr]CR[kr]WL[1547.06]
;B[go]CR[go]BL[1670.432]
;W[hn]CR[hn]WL[1543.276]
;B[cq]CR[cq]BL[1660.515]
;W[dq]CR[dq]WL[1520.385]
;B[cp]CR[cp]BL[1655.368]
;W[co]CR[co]WL[1503.02]
;B[bo]CR[bo]BL[1650.76]
;W[cn]CR[cn]WL[1499.427]
;B[bn]CR[bn]BL[1649.182]
;W[cm]CR[cm]WL[1496.151]
;B[bm]CR[bm]BL[1647.68]
;W[cl]CR[cl]WL[1494.125]
;B[fm]CR[fm]BL[1643.177]
;W[gl]CR[gl]WL[1491.671]
;B[ij]CR[ij]BL[1638.635]
;W[fl]CR[fl]WL[1448.258]
;B[jr]CR[jr]BL[1621.838]
;W[hr]CR[hr]WL[1390.792]
;B[hq]CR[hq]BL[1618.255]
;W[er]CR[er]WL[1376.551]
;B[gr]CR[gr]BL[1582.437]
;W[cr]CR[cr]WL[1355.062]
;B[br]CR[br]BL[1580.473]
;W[bs]CR[bs]WL[1350.159]
;B[ar]CR[ar]BL[1559.312]
;W[bl]CR[bl]WL[1334.484]
;B[ap]CR[ap]BL[1242.93]
;W[eo]CR[eo]WL[1313.432]
;B[fr]CR[fr]BL[1145.104]
;W[gi]CR[gi]WL[1300.586]
;B[ih]CR[ih]BL[1127.453]
;W[jg]CR[jg]WL[1287.124]
;B[hi]CR[hi]BL[1106.151]
;W[gh]CR[gh]WL[1281.499]
;B[ig]CR[ig]BL[1101.056]
;W[jf]CR[jf]WL[1259.953]
;B[gg]CR[gg]BL[1084.666]
;W[fg]CR[fg]WL[1253.941]
;B[gf]CR[gf]BL[1080.331]
;W[ff]CR[ff]WL[1249.046]
;B[gd]CR[gd]BL[1074.68]
;W[fe]CR[fe]WL[1179.833]
;B[ge]CR[ge]BL[1064.932]
;W[if]CR[if]WL[1172.691]
;B[hg]CR[hg]BL[1051.728]
;W[ic]CR[ic]WL[1147.833]
;B[gj]CR[gj]BL[1009.789]
;W[fj]CR[fj]WL[1143.947]
;B[gk]CR[gk]BL[1006.559]
;W[fk]CR[fk]WL[1139.738]
;B[hl]CR[hl]BL[1005.176]
;W[gn]CR[gn]WL[1132.838]
;B[cf]CR[cf]BL[945.755]
;W[ce]CR[ce]WL[1109.161]
;B[be]CR[be]BL[943.184]
;W[bd]CR[bd]WL[1106.244]
;B[de]CR[de]BL[941.184]
;W[cd]CR[cd]WL[1104.077]
;B[bg]CR[bg]BL[940.296]
;W[ch]CR[ch]WL[1095.212]
;B[ad]CR[ad]BL[936.229]
;W[bc]CR[bc]WL[1089.629]
;B[bh]CR[bh]BL[933.927]
;W[ci]CR[ci]WL[1082.941]
;B[bi]CR[bi]BL[923.713]
;W[bj]CR[bj]WL[1072.988]
;B[cg]CR[cg]BL[917.455]
;W[af]CR[af]WL[1068.421]
;B[dh]CR[dh]BL[857.072]
;W[di]CR[di]WL[1057.435]
;B[ei]CR[ei]BL[844.58]
;W[dj]CR[dj]WL[983.255]
;B[gm]CR[gm]BL[812.934]
;W[hm]CR[hm]WL[975.283]
;B[fn]CR[fn]BL[810.382]
;W[fo]CR[fo]WL[966.59]
;B[ee]CR[ee]BL[804.791]
;W[ed]CR[ed]WL[951.978]
;B[eg]CR[eg]BL[708.046]
;W[ef]CR[ef]WL[922.195]
;B[df]CR[df]BL[701.585]
;W[fd]CR[fd]WL[850.228]
;B[hc]CR[hc]BL[688.544]
;W[fb]CR[fb]WL[827.408]
;B[fc]CR[fc]BL[683.471]
;W[eb]CR[eb]WL[816.932]
;B[kc]CR[kc]BL[664.2]
;W[jc]CR[jc]WL[785.263]
;B[mc]CR[mc]BL[619.877]
;W[lc]CR[lc]WL[764.971]
;B[mb]CR[mb]BL[604.919]
;W[lb]CR[lb]WL[757.08]
;B[ob]CR[ob]BL[601.546]
;W[ma]CR[ma]WL[753.775]
;B[nb]CR[nb]BL[585.064]
;W[ji]CR[ji]WL[718.591]
;B[ej]CR[ej]BL[570.348]
;W[fi]CR[fi]WL[703.2]
;B[jn]CR[jn]BL[463.765]
;W[jo]CR[jo]WL[670.096]
;B[lo]CR[lo]BL[439.872]
;W[lp]CR[lp]WL[664.893]
;B[il]CR[il]BL[416.566]
;W[ii]CR[ii]WL[646.833]
;B[hh]CR[hh]BL[408.528]
;W[hj]CR[hj]WL[643.335]
;B[hk]CR[hk]BL[406.265]
;W[ko]CR[ko]WL[634.765]
;B[ib]CR[ib]BL[326.345]
;W[jb]CR[jb]WL[629.95]
;B[gb]CR[gb]BL[322.782]
;W[ia]CR[ia]WL[600.952]
;B[ha]CR[ha]BL[319.819]
;W[ja]CR[ja]WL[597.556]
;B[ie]CR[ie]BL[305.763]
;W[je]CR[je]WL[587.502]
;B[id]CR[id]BL[303.699]
;W[he]CR[he]WL[584.427]
;B[hd]CR[hd]BL[301.153]
;W[hf]CR[hf]WL[582.557]
;B[ke]CR[ke]BL[299.325]
;W[kd]CR[kd]WL[578.681]
;B[jh]CR[jh]BL[293.027]
;W[kh]CR[kh]WL[574.747]
;B[kj]CR[kj]BL[287.72]
;W[ki]CR[ki]WL[567.653]
;B[jk]CR[jk]BL[286.726]
;W[sg]CR[sg]WL[538.557]C[

])
(;B[kp]CR[kp]C[Scribe [-\]: black should have taken sente repeatedly
swordsplay [4k\]: yes
]
(;W[nf]CR[nf]C[sume [4k?\]: no
]
;B[qe]CR[qe])
(;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Forou [13k?\]: yeah
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[se]CR[se]
(;B[qb]CR[qb])
(;B[pb]CR[pb]))))
(;W[kp]CR[kp]))
(;B[kp]CR[kp]C[cynewulf [10k?\]: still
]))
(;W[kp]CR[kp]))
(;B[kp]CR[kp]))
(;W[kp]CR[kp]))
(;B[kp]CR[kp]))
(;B[kp]CR[kp]C[Scribe [-\]: black should take sente 
Scribe [-\]: white is helping the wrong group
TheCapture [11k\]: 6-7 something?
rayen [6k\]: too many :p
]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[lq]CR[lq]))
(;B[]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[pe]CR[pe]))
(;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[ld]CR[ld]))
(;B[pi]CR[pi]))
(;W[qf]CR[qf])
(;W[ip]CR[ip]
;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[oi]CR[oi]))
(;B[jp]TR[qk][jp][fq][pq]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pg]CR[pg]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[Scribe [-\]: black builds a big moyo
]
(;W[qo]CR[qo])
(;W[po]CR[po]C[swordsplay [4k\]: harass it
Vanya [11k?\]: O4 
Shikasta [14k\]: o4
rayen [6k\]: O4 
glimz [15k\]: nadare?
Denniskutl [9k\]: attack
areal [12k\]: O4 
hansb [5k?\]: attack white
MrFritz [15k\]: let white live very little to get influence
whendrik [12k\]: try keep w weak
Grimley [4k\]: make it tough to settle
playmore [1d\]: make white suffer
Scribe [-\]: black must not allow white to live too easily
]
(;B[np]CR[np]C[Grimley [4k\]: o5:)
kyurin [1d\]: and crosscut
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[qp]CR[qp]C[areal [12k\]: S2 
Shikasta [14k\]: s2
]
(;B[rr]CR[rr]C[cynewulf [10k?\]: s2
Vanya [11k?\]: S2 
MrFritz [15k\]: R6
playmore [1d\]: R6 also an option?
Scribe [-\]: s2 keeps white with only one eye
]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[nn]CR[nn]C[Scribe [-\]: white almost alive, not yet
swordsplay [4k\]: yes
Grimley [4k\]: is this best option for black?
])
(;B[or]CR[or]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[rs]CR[rs]
;W[sr]CR[sr]C[Rafghost2 [22k\]: but white can escape with P8
]))
(;B[qp]CR[qp]C[swordsplay [4k\]: how about p4 for white
]
(;W[oq]CR[oq]C[Grimley [4k\]: q4
hansb [5k?\]: Q4
]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[qo]CR[qo]C[Scribe [-\]: big mistake by white
]
(;B[rp]CR[rp])
(;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[on]CR[on]C[Scribe [-\]: white will die on one side
]))
(;W[op]CR[op]C[playm8 [6k?\]: i've seen similar moves being played by 8 and 9d
Scribe [-\]: proper move
Vanya [11k?\]: seems ok
Scribe [-\]: one of the proper moves
]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[Scribe [-\]: white floating
]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[rm]CR[rm])
(;W[mo]CR[mo]C[Scribe [-\]: also proper
])
(;W[np]CR[np]C[Scribe [-\]: mistake
agui [6k?\]: P5
Vanya [11k?\]: P4 
]
(;B[op]CR[op]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[oq]CR[oq]C[Scribe [-\]: damage white liberties
Scribe [-\]: white will die on side
])
(;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[on]CR[on]))))))
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[jd]CR[jd]C[murky: fighting
]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[MrFritz [15k\]: to start a fight and get a moyo
]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[jp]CR[jp]LB[qh:2][qk:A][ql:B][qm:1]TR[pd][pf][po][pq]C[Vanya [11k?\]: no
Grimley [4k\]: k16 is keypoint
hansb [5k?\]: moyo is gone
Grimley [4k\]: sorry
Grimley [4k\]: \]k4
glimz [15k\]: overconcentrated, inefficient?
Vanya [11k?\]: K4 for Black
swordsplay [4k\]: i think it is good
whendrik [12k\]: weakness
swordsplay [4k\]: not for black
Scribe [-\]: is this sequence good use of Chinese ?
hansb [5k?\]: black is too flat 
Scribe [-\]: Chinese wants big moyo to invite White in and attack severely
Scribe [-\]: here Black is flat on the right....not good
Scribe [-\]: the stone at r9 is misplaced. it protects neither the top nor the bottom
Scribe [-\]: better to have r9 at r8
Vanya [11k?\]: yes
areal [12k\]: yes
jjermann [15k\]: yes
swordsplay [4k\]: yes
]))
(;AE[pd]AW[dd][ld][qd][cf][pf][qj]AB[qb][fc][oc][nd]LB[ic:E][jc:D][hd:F][id:C][jd:B][nf:A]C[Elementar [6k\]: k17
hansb [5k?\]: B
glimz [15k\]: E
whendrik [12k\]: E
mb76 [16k\]: E
rayen [6k\]: C
Rafghost2 [22k\]: E
cynewulf [10k?\]: D
Forou [13k?\]: C
Scribe [-\]: (Previous Problem): this attack better than similar attack after q18 and M16 because white can not extend one space without contacting black stone
reed338 [?\]: c
areal [12k\]: C
Jefia [13k\]: d
playgo [7k\]: D threatens to connect as well
Zef [25k?\]: A maybe
Zef [25k?\]: yes I do :)
Rafghost2 [22k\]: B
kirkbobic [10k\]: C
Tamvana [?\]: c
jjermann [15k\]: sorry
hansb [5k?\]: how will you continue afterr C?
Forou [13k?\]: he wants to know what happends AFTER we play C
]
(;W[]C[MrFritz [15k\]: alive
Forou [13k?\]: it got a base
cynewulf [10k?\]: alive
hansb [5k?\]: almost alive
Scribe [-\]: top right Black group alive ? or not ?
Scribe [-\]: Black o15, wrong direction of play, the single black stone needs help
Forou [13k?\]: yes
kirkbobic [10k\]: yes
Rafghost2 [22k\]: yes
jjermann [15k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: o14*
Rafghost2 [22k\]: agree
Vanya [11k?\]: yes
reed338 [?\]: yep
glimz [15k\]: why not D18 first and then J16?
Forou [13k?\]: yes
hansb [5k?\]: clear
jjermann [15k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: j17 at least defends, even if the attack is slack
pandaah [12k\]: yes
Vanya [11k?\]: yes
areal [12k\]: yes
playgo [7k\]: yes
Tamvana [?\]: yes
nik0 [17k?\]: yup
]
(;B[nf]CR[nf]C[Zef [25k?\]: the aim was not to jump out but to play against Q14 group and isolate M16
Zef [25k?\]: (i think)
])
(;B[db]CR[db]C[glimz [15k\]: C14 prevents a good 3x3 invasion anyway
]
(;W[cc]CR[cc]
(;B[ic]CR[ic]C[Scribe [-\]: piece of cake
kyurin [1d\]: :-D
rayen [6k\]: :)
hansb [5k?\]: a beautiful fruit cake
jjermann [15k\]: :)
kyurin [1d\]: lol
cynewulf [10k?\]: fig?
playgo [7k\]: space cake
murky: tasty
Rafghost2 [22k\]: k16?
]
;W[jd]CR[jd]C[Rafghost2 [22k\]: for black
Scribe [-\]: White escapes easily
])
(;B[id]CR[id]
;W[hc]CR[hc]))
(;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
(;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[ge]CR[ge]C[Scribe [-\]: ladder
])
(;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[gd]CR[gd]C[glimz [15k\]: yes sealed and not much cash :-/
Scribe [-\]:  black sealed in and m16 shines
Tamvana [?\]: yes
jjermann [15k\]: yes
Vanya [11k?\]: sure
cynewulf [10k?\]: very helpful
jjermann [15k\]: how would black continue it's attack on M16 in the earlier case (J16)?
])))
(;B[id]CR[id]C[rayen [6k\]: ^^
jjermann [15k\]: -> hansb
]
(;W[lf]CR[lf]C[jjermann [15k\]: yes
]
;B[nf]CR[nf]C[jjermann [15k\]: and if white doesn't come out black can capture it?
])
(;W[]
(;B[nf]CR[nf]C[jjermann [15k\]: ok
jjermann [15k\]: thanks
])
(;B[lc]CR[lc])
(;B[me]CR[me])))
(;B[jd]CR[jd]C[Forou [13k?\]: to lose
hansb [5k?\]: H17?
reed338 [?\]: h17 weak
playm8 [6k?\]: 2 brothers?
rayen [6k\]: weaker
Vanya [11k?\]: white has H17 
]
;W[hc]CR[hc]C[Tamvana [?\]: doesn't help f17
Rafghost2 [22k\]: that's what I asked
cynewulf [10k?\]: too far from weak stone?
]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[id]CR[id]C[Scribe [-\]: Black k16 is too fast, white invades behind and is comfortable, alive easy
]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[fe]CR[fe])
(;B[jc]CR[jc]C[hansb [5k?\]: L15
Vanya [11k?\]: the same story
glimz [15k\]: H17 even more horrible
Tamvana [?\]: too low
Rafghost2 [22k\]: w h17
Forou [13k?\]: to low.. weak at h17
]
(;W[hc]CR[hc])
(;W[ke]CR[ke]))
(;B[ic]CR[ic]C[Scribe [-\]: K17 two mistakes, a big hole left behind at h17 and its every easy for white to escape
kyurin [1d\]: what's that...
]))
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[pd]CR[pd]C[rayen [6k\]: yes
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Scribe [-\]: Black makes shape
Scribe [-\]: Black quite safe
Rafghost2 [22k\]: yes
jjermann [15k\]: yes
Barrauss [-\]: Yes
])
(;W[mc]CR[mc]C[Scribe [-\]: or securing a great outside
]
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[glimz [15k\]: oh.. was it white's turn ^^
Scribe [-\]: Again Black lives
Forou [13k?\]: glimz now it is:) always look at both sides :)
jjermann [15k\]: glimz: no, but were thinking about the choices of white
])
(;B[]
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[qe]CR[qe])
(;W[pd]CR[pd]C[Scribe [-\]: If Black does not answer n17 white can continue the attack at q16
Scribe [-\]: killing the black group
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
(;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[od]CR[od])
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]))))))
(;AW[pd][pf]AB[fc][nc][cd]LB[hc:I][ic:H][jc:G][kc:F][lc:E][hd:J][id:D][jd:C][kd:B][ld:A]C[whendrik [12k\]: Hello
murky: Hi,
mb76 [16k\]: hi
areal [12k\]: hello
Tamvana [?\]: yes
whendrik [12k\]: Perfect
Ozymandius [12k?\]: sound good
murky: very clear
playgo [7k\]: yes
MrFritz [15k\]: hello
Scribe [-\]: yes the sound is very good
playgo [7k\]: vacation ?
cynewulf [10k?\]: marseilles, nice place
whendrik [12k\]: Yes, very nice
Jefia [13k\]: of couse
hansb [5k?\]: i did watch
Scribe [-\]: France vs Brazil ?
Jefia [13k\]: who not
playgo [7k\]: big part ?
whendrik [12k\]: France played fair and nice!
playgo [7k\]: party ?
Jefia [13k\]: germanys gonna be the world champion doesnt matter who they are playin in the final^^
playgo [7k\]: had a glass of wine ?
playgo [7k\]: well, its vacation  :-)
murky: What your prediction of Fuji cup?
rayen [6k\]: I wish there was world cup in go on tv :D
rayen [6k\]: B
Vanya [11k?\]:  K16 
Forou [13k?\]: B
hansb [5k?\]: A
Jefia [13k\]: a
weizenbier [10k\]: C
ruger [13k?\]: A
mb76 [16k\]: E
Scribe [-\]: hmmm...why not start with q18 ?
Zef [25k?\]: F
cynewulf [10k?\]: C
Medice [-\]: b
Jefia [13k\]: too small q18
seidelin [9k\]: G
Anomen [13k\]: is she talking right now? cuz i can't hear anything
cynewulf [10k?\]: left is stronger
]
(;B[kd]LB[pi:A]TR[fc][nc][cd][kd][pf][qi]C[Forou [13k?\]: I can hear you!
jjermann [15k\]: yes
kyurin [1d\]: yeah
Jefia [13k\]: clear here
rayen [6k\]: yes
Medice [-\]: anomen, try rejoining
ChoK [-\]: sound is fine
Vanya [11k?\]: yes
nik0 [17k?\]: i hear clearly
seidelin [9k\]: i hear you
hansb [5k?\]: hear you
xDarigaaz [7k?\]: yes
kirkbobic [10k\]: hear you
kyurin [1d\]: i can hear you
Anomen [13k\]: ok
MrFritz [15k\]: sound ok
hansb [5k?\]: the wave
Scribe [-\]: Fundamental: high and low combination of c16 with f17 and f17 with L16 and L16 with o17
kirkbobic [10k\]: B
Forou [13k?\]: B
rayen [6k\]: B
jjermann [15k\]: B
hansb [5k?\]: B
cynewulf [10k?\]: b
areal [12k\]: B
friend [6k\]: too close to thickness
Tamvana [?\]: pincer?
Forou [13k?\]: left is already strong.. right is weak
hansb [5k?\]: left stronger than right
rayen [6k\]: helping the weaker part
Zef [25k?\]: no protection needed on the left
MrFritz [15k\]: o17 is alone?
Ozymandius [12k?\]: o17 lonely
Forou [13k?\]: why not q18 an option?
rayen [6k\]: yup
kyurin [1d\]: clear
Forou [13k?\]: why not q18?
Jefia [13k\]: nope no question
Scribe [-\]: 3x3 still open, a benefit of this move
Forou [13k?\]: okay :)
murky: Id C16 stone at D16, is Q18 better move?
murky: if C16 
][Forou [13k?\]: I can hear you!
jjermann [15k\]: yes
kyurin [1d\]: yeah
Jefia [13k\]: clear here
rayen [6k\]: yes
Medice [-\]: anomen, try rejoining
ChoK [-\]: sound is fine
Vanya [11k?\]: yes
nik0 [17k?\]: i hear clearly
seidelin [9k\]: i hear you
hansb [5k?\]: hear you
xDarigaaz [7k?\]: yes
kirkbobic [10k\]: hear you
kyurin [1d\]: i can hear you
Anomen [13k\]: ok
MrFritz [15k\]: sound ok
])
(;B[ld]CR[ld]C[Forou [13k?\]: Short
rayen [6k\]: to small
cynewulf [10k?\]: too close
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[hc]CR[hc])
(;B[lc]CR[lc])
(;B[jd]CR[jd]LB[hc:A][lc:B]C[rayen [6k\]: weakness 2 places
hansb [5k?\]: left is strongr tha nright
cynewulf [10k?\]: m17+h17 holes?
reed338 [?\]: m17
glimz [15k\]: point of symmetry attack?
Zef [25k?\]: white will attack
])
(;B[id]CR[id])
(;B[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [-\]: Fundamental: help the weaker stones rather than making stronger stones even stronger
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
(;B[ld]CR[ld]C[seidelin [9k\]: black L16?
]
(;W[jc]CR[jc]C[glimz [15k\]: why not L16?
Scribe [-\]: target for attack, the white invasion ?
])
(;W[]
;B[id]CR[id]))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]))
(;AE[cd]AB[dd][kd]TR[fc][nc][kd]C[murky: yes
]
;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: L16 a good move with either D16 or C16 placement of Black stone
]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[id]CR[id]
(;B[kf]CR[kf])
(;B[jf]CR[jf]C[murky: thanks
]))))
