(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1650]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] PW[jujo]PB[jujo]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2006-04-02]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[SitaRam [?\]: namaste xDarigaaz [8k?\]: Hi jujo whendrik [15k\]: Yes i can hear! Janus37 [6k\]: hi ! SitaRam [?\]: yes MRei [?\]: hello Tors [?\]: yes Sjoerd [10k\]: hi! murky: Yes xDarigaaz [8k?\]: yes ljl [12k\]: yes Titonio [-\]: hello manakem10 [12k\]: hello MRei [?\]: yes olczyk [14k\]: Good morning. ivanho [10k\]: hi yes Imoto [11k?\]: hi Stalker [8k\]: hi Fibo [16k\]: hello Hikaruwaya [19k\]: morning jamm [20k\]: hi Vanya [10k?\]: hi SitaRam [?\]: nice sound Scribe [-\]: Nihao Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi ahgo2 [-\]: hello Scribe [-\]: we can hear you well SitaRam [?\]: yes Prepp [?\]: yes Hu [10k?\]: Europe and USA back in sync. murky: We lost one hour of sleep ljl [12k\]: ur going to show us a game of GO! olczyk [14k\]: Is this the game where SHusai's student found a move? manakem10 [12k\]: Go Seigen - Honinbo Shusai ? murky: Are you going to write a book on Master Wu, JuJo? ] ;B[qd]CR[qd]C[whendrik [15k\]: Greetinsg ] ;W[qp]CR[qp]C[ljl [12k\]: mister Wu = Go seigon? puzi [?\]: yes ] ;B[dc]CR[dc] ;W[ce]CR[ce]C[ljl [12k\]: morning olczyk [14k\]: Ahh that is why Wu and Sekoe wrote a Tesjui book together. ] ;B[co]CR[co]C[Scribe [-\]: 呉清源 (Japanese: Go Seigen) (Chinese: Wu Qingyuan) ] ;W[ep]CR[ep] (;B[eo]CR[eo]C[Scribe [-\]: one standard joseki variation in variation ] ;W[do]CR[do] (;B[dp]CR[dp] ;W[dn]CR[dn] ;B[cp]CR[cp]C[Scribe [-\]: ladder is broken ] (;W[eq]CR[eq] ;B[fo]CR[fo] ;W[cn]CR[cn] ;B[gq]CR[gq]C[Scribe [-\]: this joseki does not show up in books ] ;W[cr]CR[cr] (;B[bn]CR[bn] ;W[bm]CR[bm]C[murky: Hi JuJo ] ;B[br]CR[br] (;W[dr]CR[dr] ;B[bo]CR[bo] ;W[cl]CR[cl] ;B[bq]CR[bq] ;W[gr]CR[gr] ;B[hr]CR[hr] ;W[fr]CR[fr] ;B[ho]CR[ho] ;W[es]CR[es]C[ljl [12k\]: A4 is vital? ] ;B[fq]CR[fq]C[Frodo [9k\]: A4 not necessery ] ;W[fp]CR[fp] ;B[gp]CR[gp] ;W[dq]CR[dq] ;B[gs]CR[gs] ;W[cs]CR[cs]C[mallow [15k\]: A4, B1 miai Scribe [-\]: slightly better for black than for white ] ;B[oq]CR[oq]C[Scribe [-\]: black outside is better than white outside ] (;W[po]CR[po] ;B[ed]CR[ed]C[Hikaruwaya [19k\]: kosumi is cool ] (;W[dg]CR[dg] ;B[mp]CR[mp]C[Scribe [-\]: not good for white....h5 makes a big difference in black's favor (see variation) Scribe [-\]: variation not good for white Scribe [-\]: this game position favors black slightly fryskenfry [17k\]: b is also good at top, better than right side for w. olczyk [14k\]: Buty B one more move. Scribe [-\]: 呉清源 is 13 years old at this time....1927 ] (;W[oc]CR[oc] ;B[kc]CR[kc] ;W[pe]CR[pe] (;B[qe]CR[qe] ;W[pg]CR[pg] ;B[pf]CR[pf] ;W[of]CR[of] ;B[qf]CR[qf]C[Scribe [-\]: variation joseki is unfavorable for black ] ;W[og]CR[og] (;B[pc]CR[pc] ;W[nd]CR[nd]C[olczyk [14k\]: This looks familiar. hansb [5k\]: R12 braincrash [?\]: h17 scKevinjf [23k\]: Q9 ? mallow [15k\]: L15-ish totylkoja [?\]: r14 olczyk [14k\]: S11 agui [7k\]: L15 totylkoja [?\]: r12 sorry Blaubaer [6d?\]: h16? rayen [8k\]: L15 denis2: L15 MRei [?\]: L 15 puzi [?\]: f14 Vanya [10k?\]: r9 ljl [12k\]: C16 ] (;B[qh]CR[qh]C[fab [1d\]: R9 ? ]) (;B[ri]CR[ri]) (;B[ke]CR[ke]C[Anemon [7k\]: H16? JeffAmid [-\]: r17 Scribe [-\]: L15 is a little bit greedy ] ;W[hd]CR[hd]) (;B[ff]CR[ff]C[ligo [?\]: o6 JeffAmid [-\]: *r12 kouchi [3k\]: r7 mallow [15k\]: R7, perhaps? ] ;W[id]CR[id]) (;B[fg]CR[fg]C[Scribe [-\]: white can invade behind a black move at either f14 or L15 ] ;W[id]CR[id]) (;B[hd]CR[hd]C[Scribe [-\]: h16 is perfect Scribe [-\]: very secure territory on top olczyk [14k\]: He has kifu. go [10k\]: isnt it too slow ? Scribe [-\]: white top right thickness is not working ] ;W[qg]CR[qg]C[DrGoPlayer [-\]: k17 now? go [10k\]: N6 for white bigger ? zonk: w p10 ] ;B[nm]CR[nm]C[DrGoPlayer [-\]: by w ] (;W[pl]CR[pl] ;B[hl]CR[hl]C[Scribe [-\]: black gains move Scribe [-\]: more Scribe [-\]: more not move rayen [8k\]: I like b SitaRam [?\]: agree Scribe [-\]: game is very easy for black Vanya [10k?\]: agree JeffAmid [-\]: agree totylkoja [?\]: I like black rayen [8k\]: w has to worry .. b got options ^^ braincrash [?\]: so w cant r13 ]) (;W[iq]CR[iq] ;B[hq]CR[hq] ;W[jo]CR[jo]C[JeffAmid [-\]: is this the real game? ] ;B[kq]CR[kq]C[Scribe [-\]: game ] (;W[jl]CR[jl] ;B[qr]CR[qr] ;W[pl]CR[pl]C[Scribe [-\]: f8 better than game move at k8 ] ;B[ol]CR[ol] ;W[pk]CR[pk] ;B[hl]CR[hl]C[Scribe [-\]: begin attack upon white group ] (;W[jj]CR[jj] ;B[di]CR[di]) (;W[np]CR[np] (;B[nq]CR[nq] ;W[mo]CR[mo]) (;B[no]CR[no] ;W[mo]CR[mo] ;B[mn]CR[mn] ;W[lo]CR[lo] ;B[op]CR[op] ;W[lp]CR[lp] ;B[nq]CR[nq] ;W[lq]CR[lq] ;B[lr]CR[lr] ;W[kr]CR[kr] ;B[jr]CR[jr] ;W[kp]CR[kp] ;B[jq]CR[jq]C[JeffAmid [-\]: really nice game ] (;W[di]CR[di]C[Scribe [-\]: black handled crosscut very well, both sides alivea and attack on white group remains ]) (;W[ln]CR[ln] ;B[di]CR[di]C[Scribe [-\]: game. better to have played as in variation for white 78 Blaubaer [6d?\]: 13 j .... ] ;W[bc]CR[bc]C[Scribe [-\]: black d11 splits white left side ] ;B[dk]CR[dk] ;W[dl]CR[dl] ;B[bk]CR[bk]C[ljl [12k\]: thx au2 [4k\]: THANKS FOR THE LECTURE murky: Thank you JuJo for the lesson xDarigaaz [8k?\]: thank you SitaRam [?\]: thx jujo olczyk [14k\]: Thank you. noel [10k\]: thank you for teaching agui [7k\]: thank you very much Janus37 [6k\]: thx ruger [16k\]: thx Blaubaer [6d?\]: thank you :-)) Vanya [10k?\]: thank you ivanho [10k\]: thank you Inkognito [2k?\]: thx Stalker [8k\]: thank you mallow [15k\]: thanks SILD [6k\]: thanks you Balator [17k\]: thx Fibo [16k\]: thx au2 [4k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION MRei [?\]: Thank you very much Scribe [-\]: Thank to Jujo for today's lecture Sonni [13k\]: thank you Sjoerd [10k\]: thx Zark [4k\]: thank you HeinBloed: thank you very much whendrik [14k\]: Thank you bye bye SitaRam [?\]: greetings for mister wu Azumii: thanks Titonio [-\]: thx totylkoja [?\]: Thank you Tarkam [10k?\]: thanks wholeboard [7k\]: thank you! tibra [11k?\]: thank you Conch [13k\]: thanks to ING Myshkin [18k\]: thank you so much. rayen [8k\]: thank you Tors [?\]: thanks Ixo [16k\]: Thanks scKevinjf [23k\]: bye Bodo212 [16k\]: thx - thx scribr too Janez [3k\]: thx saodiseng [1d\]: thank you MRei [?\]: bye Vanya [10k?\]: bye butterfork: bye bye thanks ])))) (;W[fl]CR[fl])))) (;B[qh]CR[qh]C[Scribe [-\]: common move, black r12 in place of q17 ] ;W[ic]CR[ic]C[Scribe [-\]: r12 helps white create wall to attack L17 Scribe [-\]: split black on top side ])) (;B[pd]CR[pd]C[Scribe [-\]: L17 is another good choice for white move 40 ] ;W[od]CR[od] ;B[oe]CR[oe] ;W[qe]CR[qe])) (;W[kc]CR[kc])) (;W[np]CR[np] ;B[df]CR[df])) (;W[bs]CR[bs] ;B[ap]CR[ap] ;W[an]CR[an] ;B[ar]CR[ar]C[Scribe [-\]: points the same for both black and white Scribe [-\]: territory the same ])) (;W[gr]CR[gr] (;B[fr]CR[fr] ;W[gp]CR[gp] ;B[fp]CR[fp] ;W[fq]CR[fq] ;B[hq]CR[hq] ;W[er]CR[er]) (;B[hr]CR[hr] ;W[er]CR[er] ;B[bp]CR[bp] ;W[an]CR[an] ;B[bo]CR[bo] ;W[dl]CR[dl] ;B[fr]CR[fr] ;W[bs]CR[bs]C[Scribe [-\]: this variation better for white than in the game ]))) (;B[br]CR[br]C[SitaRam [?\]: take base from w Vanya [10k?\]: b3 scKevinjf [23k\]: B3 white? ] (;W[bq]CR[bq]C[Fibo [16k\]: white C3? ] ;B[dr]CR[dr]) (;W[cq]CR[cq] ;B[bq]CR[bq] ;W[bn]CR[bn]C[Scribe [-\]: black will die ]))) (;W[fo]CR[fo])) (;B[dn]CR[dn] ;W[dp]CR[dp] ;B[cp]CR[cp] ;W[cq]CR[cq] ;B[cm]CR[cm] ;W[bn]CR[bn] ;B[cn]CR[cn] ;W[bq]CR[bq] ;B[fo]CR[fo] ;W[gq]CR[gq]C[Scribe [-\]: this variation is good for white ])) (;B[dq]CR[dq] ;W[eq]CR[eq] ;B[dr]CR[dr] ;W[en]CR[en] ;B[do]CR[do] ;W[eo]CR[eo] ;B[er]CR[er]))