(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2006-03-26]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Selina [?\]: plop
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: hi
uwinmenow [?\]: hi!!
coronalis [17k\]: hi
rayen [8k\]: hi
ruger [16k\]: hi
CentarKG [4k?\]: hi
suducodu [?\]: Hi
murky: Hi 
uwinmenow [?\]: yes
Hu [10k\]: Hello.  We hear you.
clemi [?\]: hi
SitaRam [3k?\]: yes
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: yes
clemi [?\]: yes
aleph0 [-\]: hello can hear you
moichido [11k\]: hi there mingjiu loud an clear
agui [7k\]: yes
Tulambar [11k?\]: Hello
Selina [?\]: ni hao lao shi
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi
SitaRam [3k?\]: sounds very good
agui [7k\]: Hello
uwinmenow [?\]: lol
uwinmenow [?\]: o.0
moichido [11k\]: k
SitaRam [3k?\]: no
uwinmenow [?\]: lol
Fujkenasai [-\]: heh
moichido [11k\]: b crambled
Hikaruwaya [19k\]: what? -.-
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: sound today is cool :)
]
(;B[dp]CR[dp]C[Hikaruwaya [19k\]: -.-''
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[uwinmenow [?\]: ok
Hikaruwaya [19k\]: ^^''
uwinmenow [?\]: -.-
]
;B[cd]CR[cd]C[gohaschaos [?\]: ok
uwinmenow [?\]: lol
]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[jp]CR[jp]C[tablescrap [7k\]: this is "find the bad move" i think
]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
(;W[ci]CR[ci]C[murky: this move strange
BuddyL [7k\]: C11 no good I think
au2 [4k\]: ok
josba: strange
rayen [8k\]: this also seems a little strange
xevad [13k?\]: its okay
Talaer [14k?\]: I think B tenuki
clemi [?\]: too early
murky: o17
BuddyL [7k\]: R8 immediately
Quinn [11k?\]: ok
xevad [13k?\]: ?
agui [7k\]: too early
gohaschaos [?\]: white thinks he is very strang:))
josba: r8
coronalis [17k\]: L17 ?
xix [18k?\]: upper side bigger
SimonxD [10k\]: R13 
clemi [?\]: R13
barisefe [1k\]: L17 
playmore [1k\]: D7 
SitaRam [3k?\]: right side
agui [7k\]: R8
rayen [8k\]: maybe a touch at B16 C17  first
xevad [13k?\]: R7
BuddyL [7k\]: R8
SimonxD [10k\]: Q4  is much stronger
ticktock [14k\]: R8 
tablescrap [7k\]: c11 seems fine
SitaRam [3k?\]: q9
sergiop [9k\]: W has space to make 2 space extension
Scribe [-\]: white c11 is okay
Scribe [-\]: compare white c11 vs variation.  c11 is better 
clemi [?\]: seen like this...
]
(;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Blaubaer [6d\]: hm dont like q18
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[uwinmenow [?\]: lol
sohvan [-\]: I'd like to play Q18 at R7.
Scribe [-\]: white can not finish corner in one move after r8
Scribe [-\]: variation three moves are a common sequence
]
(;B[pb]CR[pb]C[uwinmenow [?\]: lol
tablescrap [7k\]: r8 overplay
clemi [?\]: R17 is urgent
rayen [8k\]: I would R6 instead
Blaubaer [6d\]: r6?
]
(;W[ql]CR[ql]C[Scribe [-\]: observe the game.   make your own conclusions regarding teh moves, then check them against the teachers comments which will follow
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: bad
]
(;B[qh]CR[qh]C[SitaRam [3k?\]: stop
SimonxD [10k\]: small
SitaRam [3k?\]: bad
sergiop [9k\]: horrible
moichido [11k\]: black strange
xevad [13k?\]: must fight!
xevad [13k?\]: moyo just looks nice
]
(;W[nf]CR[nf]C[sergiop [9k\]: also good shape?
biomorph [13k\]: B o11?
wrong [?\]: right
Blaubaer [6d\]: o10?
SimonxD [10k\]: O11 
Fujkenasai [-\]: yay
]
(;B[kc]TR[fc][kc][nc]C[rayen [8k\]: bad for b imo
murky: too low
tablescrap [7k\]: l17 not needed
gohaschaos [?\]: l17 too low i think
Kennabee [6k\]: M16
xevad [13k?\]: white wins
Scribe [-\]: two black stones in a sea of white stones
jerkovicj [1d?\]: 1space extension...
Scribe [-\]: black three stones on the third line.....too low
Scribe [-\]: black has two ways to help the two stones in the upper right....must help two stones on the rignt side now...they have only one way
josba: q11?
moichido [11k\]: o11
Scribe [-\]: black r17 good continuation to attack three white stones
]
(;W[ok]CR[ok]C[murky: one side is 5d, the other is 1k
]
;B[ni]LB[qc:A]TR[ni][lq][mq][nq][oq][pq]C[Hikaruwaya [19k\]: your?
Scribe [-\]: black can invade easy at two places (see variation)
]
(;W[ld]CR[ld]LB[nd:A]C[barisefe [1k\]: l16
Scribe [-\]: black should not answer white m16
Quinn [11k?\]: r17
wrong [?\]: in the game of life, no matter how many eyes we have, we die at the end
]
(;B[lc]CR[lc]C[sergiop [9k\]: R17 important for both sides no?
SitaRam [3k?\]: passiv
rayen [8k\]: dont play into the opponent`s hand ^^
]
;W[nd]LB[pb:13][fc:5][kc:17][lc:21][nc:11][oc:A][cd:3][ld:20][nd:22][pd:2][nf:16][qf:12][qh:15][ci:10][ni:19][pi:B][qj:9][ok:18][ql:14][cn:7][dp:1][jp:8][pp:4][fq:6]C[guojuan [5p\]: sorry I spoke too fast :(
uwinmenow [?\]: too many moves....
uwinmenow [?\]: =[
moichido [11k\]: that's not much =)
uwinmenow [?\]: aiiiiiiiiiii!
jared [3k\]: i don't like black 9
tablescrap [7k\]: 14  overplay, 17 not needed
Hu [10k\]: Is 19 too far from 15, 9
pel [10k\]: r10 is a bit close to shimari 
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: i dont like move 15
gohaschaos [?\]: l17 wrong i think
dmnk [6k?\]: 11 looks strange to me
yfh2 [4k?\]: B 11 wrong direction
Talaer [14k?\]: B seems very low
rayen [8k\]: move 13 seems wrong
Hu [10k\]: Please keep control.
sergiop [9k\]: what is the problem?
uwinmenow [?\]: lol
sergiop [9k\]: find abad move?
Darg [6k\]: black 3
SitaRam [3k?\]: 14
Quinn [11k?\]: i dont like the moves up from move  5 :)
Azumii2: i dont like 11
uwinmenow [?\]: you vs. you
Scribe [-\]: two 4D players
Fujkenasai [-\]: ??
BuddyL [7k\]: W should have pushed R10 immediately I think
SitaRam [3k?\]: hm
Scribe [-\]: OMG!
rayen [8k\]: I dont like move 13
uwinmenow [?\]: lol
fab [1d\]: IGS 4d, then ? ;)
maipianist [4k\]: I dont' like 13
birne [1k\]: i can definitely tell that the players are stronger than I am !
Fujkenasai [-\]: Oro FTW
Hikaruwaya [19k\]: 1k uo..
fab [1d\]: :)
Fujkenasai [-\]: :P
Hikaruwaya [19k\]: *up
maipianist [4k\]: 13 should be r6 or soth like that
uwinmenow [?\]: it says blk:minjiu w:minjiu
uwinmenow [?\]: *mingjiu
Hu [10k\]: O11 seems too far.  Can W come in at O11 and cut B?
xevad [13k?\]: cool
moichido [11k\]: black too slow ?
josba: 18 is ok?
murky: 18 could P11
BuddyL [7k\]: if not o11, B notrunning, just fat, hu
wrong [?\]: black is in deep sh...
wrong [?\]: ..trouble
CentarKG [4k?\]: W is better
moichido [11k\]: for black
agui [7k\]: for black
rayen [8k\]: w is better
josba: for white
SitaRam [3k?\]: both
moichido [11k\]: terrible for black
Golem62 [7k?\]: for both
clemi [?\]: for white
wrong [?\]: B is bitter
moichido [11k\]: lol
xevad [13k?\]: blaxk xan still fight
agui [7k\]: sansan
moichido [11k\]: not anymore =)
barisefe [1k\]: :)
josba: 4d is very week...
moichido [11k\]: lol
josba: weak
]
(;B[nq]CR[nq]C[blacklabel [11k\]: if corner go there first
]
;W[oq]CR[oq]C[Hikaruwaya [19k\]: no comments^^
wrong [?\]: If he's at least 7p, I agree
xevad [13k?\]: tewari
]
(;B[np]CR[np]C[CentarKG [4k?\]: sound?
barisefe [1k\]: O4 or O5?
Scribe [-\]: no time.  black must help the isolated three stones on the right side
moichido [11k\]: yes
SitaRam [3k?\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes - thx
agui [7k\]: yes thanks
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: yes
wrong [?\]: well, maybe, if and when I get to 7d
barisefe [1k\]: :/
])
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[uwinmenow [?\]: lol
blacklabel [11k\]: no
moichido [11k\]: no
SitaRam [3k?\]: looks strange
rayen [8k\]: yes
]
;W[or]CR[or]C[Quinn [11k?\]: simply o4?
]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[Quinn [11k?\]: what is this?
murky: we hear
guojuan [5p\]: next tiem I will be slower 
CentarKG [4k?\]: o.k.
sohvan [-\]: I like when teachers speak fast. :)
]
;B[pr]CR[pr]C[Scribe [-\]: after o3 black should continue on the outside
]
(;W[rr]CR[rr]C[barisefe [1k\]: O5 or O4 ?
]
;B[rq]CR[rq]C[uwinmenow [?\]: lol
moichido [11k\]: q11 ?
Quinn [11k?\]: dont see no ladder
SitaRam [3k?\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: no
wingnut [-\]: P11 ?
SitaRam [3k?\]: spiral ladder
sergiop [9k\]: P11
mallow [16k\]: R2?
sergiop [9k\]: cut
]
(;W[lk]CR[lk]C[moichido [11k\]: guojan the lightspeed talker =)
agui [7k\]: yes
josba: m11?
xevad [13k?\]: white take sente
Blaubaer [6d\]: p11?
ligo [?\]: r2
]
;B[lh]CR[lh]
;W[mh]CR[mh]C[uwinmenow [?\]: xD
]
;B[mi]CR[mi]C[Fujkenasai [-\]: no sound T_T
]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[li]CR[li]
;B[lj]CR[lj]C[uwinmenow [?\]: lol
]
;W[ki]CR[ki]C[Fujkenasai [-\]: where is scribe
]
;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[kj]CR[kj]
;B[nk]CR[nk]C[Fujkenasai [-\]: ann ok
Fujkenasai [-\]: have now
]
;W[ll]CR[ll]C[moichido [11k\]: lol
]
;B[mm]CR[mm]C[uwinmenow [?\]: jaja
]
;W[ml]CR[ml]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[nm]CR[nm]C[uwinmenow [?\]: where's the scribe?
Azumii2: one more time?
])
(;W[oc]CR[oc]C[Golem62 [7k?\]: p11
wingnut [-\]: miss chance
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[blacklabel [11k\]: dont take a lib
barisefe [1k\]: i still like that one :)
]
(;W[pi]CR[pi]
(;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[mh]CR[mh]
(;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[nj]CR[nj]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[lh]CR[lh]
;W[mi]CR[mi]C[Scribe [-\]: this ladder is good fro white
birne [1k\]: yes
moichido [11k\]: yes
wrong [?\]: pros can make ladder of anything
])
(;B[nj]CR[nj]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[og]CR[og])
(;B[og]CR[og]
;W[mg]CR[mg]))
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[dosaku [4k?\]: the bamboo is wrong ?
]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[mh]CR[mh]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[og]CR[og]))
(;W[lk]CR[lk]C[SitaRam [3k?\]: no
moichido [11k\]: cowardly
blacklabel [11k\]: bottom is open
])))
(;W[rn]CR[rn])))
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[sergiop [9k\]: invade driectly
]
(;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[qp]CR[qp])
(;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[Scribe [-\]: better to take 3x3 directly if black wants the corner
moichido [11k\]: lol
])))
(;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[ne]CR[ne]C[wrong [?\]: O15
Scribe [-\]: corner is bigger than the top side
]
(;B[qc]CR[qc])
(;B[lc]CR[lc])
(;B[lf]CR[lf]C[xevad [13k?\]: oh no shape :/
murky: cool
Hikaruwaya [19k\]: wow
Scribe [-\]: black m17 is very slow
Scribe [-\]: m14 is shape point 
murky: if this happened W is in trouble
xevad [13k?\]: harder to improve if you always play defensively..
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[ke]CR[ke])))
(;W[pq]CR[pq]
(;B[lq]CR[lq])
(;B[qn]CR[qn])))
(;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[mk]CR[mk]
;B[ol]CR[ol]C[xevad [13k?\]: >_<
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[Hikaruwaya [19k\]: fight
Kennabee [6k\]: Wow
Scribe [-\]: black helps white
xevad [13k?\]: white wins
SitaRam [3k?\]: hard time for b
]))
(;B[ld]CR[ld])
(;B[ni]CR[ni]C[Hu [10k\]: O11 seems to far.  Can W come in at Q11 and cut B?
mstarsup5 [5k\]: no
Blaubaer [6d\]: ^^
wrong [?\]: he is professionaly kyu
mstarsup5 [5k\]: he has to play lightly
biomorph [13k\]: :-)
SitaRam [3k?\]: hihi
Quinn [11k?\]: o11 common shape though ^^
wrong [?\]: professionaly kyu
josba: 7p move
Fujkenasai [-\]: lol
xevad [13k?\]: hehe
Scribe [-\]: black o11 is very nice move
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[ld]CR[ld])
(;W[lc]CR[lc]C[wrong [?\]: without "y"
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]TR[fc][cd])))
(;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[ld]CR[ld]))
(;B[oj]CR[oj]C[xevad [13k?\]: I said R7
Scribe [-\]: r7 proper relationship with lower right corner.  r8 is too far
uwinmenow [?\]: lol
Blaubaer [6d\]: r12 hmm bad?
mstarsup5 [5k\]: bad
Scribe [-\]: black must run
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]C[xevad [13k?\]: weakness
]
;B[qn]CR[qn])
(;B[qg]CR[qg]C[Scribe [-\]: this area is too small to live in
]))
(;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Scribe [-\]: r7 better than r8
xevad [13k?\]: =)
Scribe [-\]: black q18 in game is wrong timing, black must help the single stone on the right side
]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[pq]CR[pq]))
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[uwinmenow [?\]: bye bye mingjiu lao shi
rayen [8k\]: :D
Scribe [-\]: black q18 is strange
xevad [13k?\]: yes
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[murky: urgent
]))
(;B[qn]CR[qn]))
(;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[qm]CR[qm]
;W[qo]CR[qo]C[moichido [11k\]: no good for white
]
;B[di]CR[di]))
(;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[CentarKG [4k?\]: good coment
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[SitaRam [3k?\]: sound today is prfect
]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[id]CR[id]C[SitaRam [3k?\]: yes
]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[hb]CR[hb]C[Blaubaer [6d\]: L18
]
;W[ad]CR[ad]C[SitaRam [3k?\]: the last week was terrible
]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[ae]CR[ae]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[xDarigaaz [9k?\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: Problem !
wingnut [-\]: W
Templar [?\]: L18
SitaRam [3k?\]: symmetrical position
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: dont know you told us :)
Quinn [11k?\]: problem: kill black
wingnut [-\]: thanks mingjiu
Scribe [-\]: White to play
au2 [4k\]: THANKS FOR THE LECTURE
wrong [?\]: the one with 1 line narrower and one line higher is more interesting
moichido [11k\]: white's turn
birne [1k\]: thank you!
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: Thank you very much
au2 [4k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
SitaRam [3k?\]: thx for the lesson
ruger [16k\]: thank you
dmnk [6k?\]: thank you :)
aboulafia [9k?\]: thx a lot
moichido [11k\]: thx mingjiu
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
Kennabee [6k\]: Thanks
guojuan [5p\]: thank you too
mstarsup5 [5k\]: thank you mingjiu :))
aleph0 [-\]: thank you
Blaubaer [6d\]: thx :-)
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much
grossebaf [5k?\]: thx
Hu [10k\]: Thank you.
]))
