(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[60]OT[25/180 Canadian]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2006-03-01]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[

goshu [7k\]: hello guojuan
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Guo Juan Laoshi
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: Hi
mstarsup5 [6k\]: hi guojuan :D
armiad [13k\]: hi
Zark [4k\]: hi
nux [14k?\]: hi
ruger [19k\]: hi
freeks [12k\]: Ni hao guo juan sensei
nik0 [18k?\]: hi
makabooboo [13k\]: hi
Scribe [-\]: Very happy to see you, Guo Juan
mairov [19k\]: yes low rank
agui [7k\]: Hello
]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]BL[53.722]C[goshu [7k\]: could you make a no audio lesson ? This works, at least
fringd [9k\]: :/
hadar1989 [23k\]: yes please
Area53 [10k\]: That's why I don't play blitz these days... hmhmhm
plonk [18k?\]: sound terrible
Grimley [5k\]: yes you could do a lesson without audio then there's no lagg
Grimley [5k\]: not so much at least
hadar1989 [23k\]: yes please
Area53 [10k\]: I wouldn't bet on that
hadar1989 [23k\]: i would
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]WL[47.125]C[moot: not really possible with unmoderated chat
Grimley [5k\]: then moderate;)
isshoni [13k?\]: or maybe scribe could take the mike?
moot: KGS is the problem
Scribe [-\]: Game between two players on KGS: 2 dan player and 1 dan player (?)
isshoni [13k?\]: this week it s probably better is mingjiu does two lessons
mstarsup5 [6k\]: maybe the scribe and guojuan could talk on skype or something and the scribe could write down the things :s
guojuan [5p\]: I am back
LiuFeng: as much as you people are writing
LiuFeng: we wouldnt understand one thing
jantiff [?\]: hi teacher
mingjiu [7p\]: need help?
isshoni [13k?\]: yes
nux [14k?\]: yes
jiku [10k\]: hi
suducodu [?\]: Very...noisy...
Grimley [5k\]: still bad sound
moot: hello, kind of
dogenzenji [22k\]: yes
jiku [10k\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: yes.  
manakem10 [12k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: yes
LiuFeng: guojuan blows my ears d-_-b
swilks [7k\]: louder now
kouchi [3k\]: seems like a connection problem, not a mic problem
zee [10k\]: we hear
agui [7k\]: yes but chopped sound
pel [10k\]: we hear fine
jiku [10k\]: yes
isshoni [13k?\]: it sounds better
SILD [6k\]: ok
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]BL[52.521]C[hansb [5k\]: too loud
zee [10k\]: sounds fine
goshu [7k\]: better now
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]WL[39.741]C[Mokuseki [10k\]: echo but audible
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]BL[51.52]C[jramon [15k\]: yes
isshoni [13k?\]: hello
Uberdude [12k\]: y
fringd [9k\]: i hear
]
(;W[po]CR[po]WL[33.34]C[Scribe [-\]: Two 2 dan players
]
;B[qo]CR[qo]BL[48.181]
;W[qn]CR[qn]WL[32.546]C[bigfish [6k?\]: no sounhd
]
;B[qp]CR[qp]BL[47.513]
(;W[rd]CR[rd]WL[30.731]C[Scribe [-\]: its not the computer, Guojuan, its your service provided
rayen [9k\]: I hear
isshoni [13k?\]: kasparov has taken hacker lessons
Scribe [-\]: therefore s16 seeks to make black r13 less valuable
]
(;B[re]CR[re]BL[45.604]C[goshu [7k\]: sound ok again
DrGoPlayer [-\]: ok now
hadar1989 [23k\]: ok
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: probe
]
(;W[pm]CR[pm]WL[27.159]
;B[nq]CR[nq]BL[42.214]
;W[qi]CR[qi]WL[26.385]C[Scribe [-\]: please refer to moves by location ("this move" is hard to understand when the audio lags)
isshoni [13k?\]: fine now
fringd [9k\]: can hear again
saruman [-\]: fine now
SILD [6k\]: works now
]
;B[qg]CR[qg]BL[40.061]
;W[oi]CR[oi]WL[25.01]
;B[ql]CR[ql]BL[36.816]
;W[rm]WL[23.131]LB[ql:A][rm:B]
(;B[ok]CR[ok]BL[34.972]
;W[qk]CR[qk]WL[12.694]C[Scribe [-\]: black r8 after p11 loses black 7 points
]
;B[cj]CR[cj]BL[6.953]LB[dc:A][ce:B][dp:C]TR[oc][nq]C[jantiff [?\]: R9 lets w connect
Uberdude [12k\]: ah, r9 is to connect under, not catch r8?
jantiff [?\]: right
Scribe [-\]: question for white: which side to block ?  from top left or bottom left
Uberdude [12k\]: ok, thx
rayen [9k\]: smack the door in the enemy`s face !
Scribe [-\]: white d17 needs more help.  seal the door....d4 has two doors open anyway
fringd [9k\]: is this enough? what about the double approach at f3?
][jantiff [?\]: R9 lets w connect
Uberdude [12k\]: ah, r9 is to connect under, not catch r8?
jantiff [?\]: right
Scribe [-\]: question for white: which side to block ?  from top left or bottom left
Uberdude [12k\]: ok, thx
rayen [9k\]: smack the door in the enemy`s face !
]
(;W[cm]CR[cm]WL[3.769]
(;B[cg]CR[cg]BL[0.279]LB[cq:A]C[Scribe [-\]: white r9 tesuji
fringd [9k\]: ok, i can understand that much
fringd [9k\]: too far
Scribe [-\]: Black c13 is a mistake
fringd [9k\]: c14 better?
mallow [17k\]: forces white to finish the corner
butterfork: lets W close top corner
hansb [5k\]: C15 is nice move for white
fringd [9k\]: lets white play c15
kouchi [3k\]: invites w to c15
jantiff [?\]: it lets w get good C15
freeks [12k\]: because first kakari
josba: c15 too good for w
au2 [3k\]: gives w a good move at c15
cobran [14k\]: C15 is good for white
zee [10k\]: not enough pressure on corner
noel [10k\]: i think he should play nearer to the corner stone
isshoni [13k?\]: because now white is happy to play c15?
Scribe [-\]: black should approach white at c15
]
;W[ce]CR[ce]WL[1.432]LB[ch:1][ci:2]C[rayen [9k\]: I like white
Scribe [-\]: smart of black to tenuki and take sente on left
freeks [12k\]: white ahead
isshoni [13k?\]: c11 instead of c10?
freeks [12k\]: c7?
Uberdude [12k\]: why is r9 tesuji, can't black simply q8?
butterfork: c7
Scribe [-\]: both white and black have made one mistake on the left side
freeks [12k\]: Kakari
mstarsup5 [6k\]: B shouldn't let W shimari
Scribe [-\]: black c10 and c13 are not alive...not easy to kill, but not alive
Scribe [-\]: white has c15 move which is excellent
freeks [12k\]: no
mstarsup5 [6k\]: no
josba: NO
fringd [9k\]: we like the top better
goshu [7k\]: no
jramon [15k\]: too close 
fringd [9k\]: or f3
agui [7k\]: J17
fringd [9k\]: no k17
Scribe [-\]: please dont say "this one"
freeks [12k\]: white has 4 spaces, black 3. white is gaining more
freeks [12k\]: yes
silver2k4 [2k?\]: yes
]
(;B[iq]CR[iq]BL[172.106]OB[24]C[Scribe [-\]: so black still needs a move to live and white has excellent position
fringd [9k\]: k17 bigger?
butterfork: too low?
jantiff [?\]: too low
Scribe [-\]: j3 is poor choice
SILD [6k\]: the top
mallow [17k\]: wrong side
freeks [12k\]: c3 better i think
LeFourBe [-\]: non, extension from alive group
fringd [9k\]: ok can hear again
butterfork: top bigger?
freeks [12k\]: we can hear 
Mokuseki [10k\]: no, in the top^
freeks [12k\]: sure
jantiff [?\]: clear
agui [7k\]: yes
fringd [9k\]: yep
josba: d3
freeks [12k\]: e3?
fringd [9k\]: d3 again
]
(;W[jc]CR[jc]WL[178.261]OW[24]C[butcher [11k\]: what is nearby in this situation?
Scribe [-\]: both d3 adn e3 are good shape for white
]
;B[dq]CR[dq]BL[168.158]OB[23]
;W[cq]CR[cq]WL[174.229]OW[23]
;B[eq]CR[eq]BL[166.371]OB[22]LB[cp:A][cr:B]C[Grimley [5k\]: c2
freeks [12k\]: c2
jiku [10k\]: c2
josba: c4
hansb [5k\]: C2
fringd [9k\]: c2
mallow [17k\]: C2
rayen [9k\]: c2
jantiff [?\]: C2 is good shape
goshu [7k\]: c2
freeks [12k\]: the wall is one space too near
fringd [9k\]: c2 puts more pressure
noel [10k\]: C2 is attacking and defending
saruman [-\]: yose
freeks [12k\]: if you play a4
Scribe [-\]: what is the difference between white c2 adn white c4
jiku [10k\]: c2 is attacking?
Grimley [5k\]: c2 is much bigger, looks under the black stones
goshu [7k\]: may be c4 sente ?
fringd [9k\]: c4 is just keeping safe
jantiff [?\]: A more solid
]
(;W[cr]CR[cr]WL[173.326]OW[22]
;B[ep]CR[ep]BL[165.451]OB[21]C[Scribe [-\]: c2 makes more territory
]
;W[do]CR[do]WL[172.117]OW[21]TR[iq]C[Scribe [-\]: but here c2 is wrong
Uberdude [12k\]: cant hane
goshu [7k\]: c4 sente 
jantiff [?\]: mmmh loss of influence
Scribe [-\]: c2 cedes sente to black
]
;B[on]CR[on]BL[162.492]OB[20]
;W[pn]CR[pn]WL[170.005]OW[20]C[Scribe [-\]: more efficient.....try for most points per move overall
]
;B[no]CR[no]BL[157.05]OB[19]
;W[di]CR[di]WL[168.177]OW[19]C[fringd [9k\]: makes sense
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]BL[154.863]OB[18]
;W[dg]CR[dg]WL[167.125]OW[18]
;B[dh]CR[dh]BL[153.86]OB[17]
;W[eh]CR[eh]WL[166.11]OW[17]
;B[ch]CR[ch]BL[152.921]OB[16]C[Scribe [-\]: black has faster development
]
(;W[eg]CR[eg]WL[163.473]OW[16]C[Scribe [-\]: this is correct
]
;B[cf]CR[cf]BL[151.139]OB[15]
;W[de]CR[de]WL[161.865]OW[15]C[Scribe [-\]: white connection at d13 is wrong
Scribe [-\]: e13*
Grimley [5k\]: J16
josba: j16
freeks [12k\]: 2 space left
]
(;B[df]CR[df]BL[149.947]OB[14]
;W[ef]CR[ef]WL[160.636]OW[14]
;B[ei]CR[ei]BL[149.057]OB[13]
;W[dj]CR[dj]WL[157.598]OW[13]
;B[dk]CR[dk]BL[148.11]OB[12]
;W[ej]CR[ej]WL[156.445]OW[12]
;B[fi]CR[fi]BL[146.259]OB[11]
;W[ek]CR[ek]WL[154.981]OW[11]
;B[dl]CR[dl]BL[142.143]OB[10]
;W[gk]CR[gk]WL[151.617]OW[10]
;B[gj]CR[gj]BL[140.126]OB[9]
;W[el]CR[el]WL[149.865]OW[9]
;B[dm]CR[dm]BL[138.733]OB[8]
;W[bl]CR[bl]WL[138.069]OW[8]
;B[bk]CR[bk]BL[133.516]OB[7]
;W[dn]CR[dn]WL[123.622]OW[7]
;B[em]CR[em]BL[131.845]OB[6]
;W[gm]CR[gm]WL[117.983]OW[6]
;B[fm]CR[fm]BL[129.826]OB[5]
;W[gl]CR[gl]WL[113.814]OW[5]
;B[ij]CR[ij]BL[128.41]OB[4]
;W[go]CR[go]WL[105.107]OW[4]
;B[fn]CR[fn]BL[121.292]OB[3]
;W[gn]CR[gn]WL[101.888]OW[3]
;B[hp]CR[hp]BL[116.553]OB[2]
;W[fo]CR[fo]WL[99.327]OW[2]
;B[eo]CR[eo]BL[115.038]OB[1]
;W[en]CR[en]WL[97.225]OW[1]
;B[be]CR[be]BL[180]OB[25]
;W[bd]CR[bd]WL[180]OW[25]
;B[af]CR[af]BL[178.828]OB[24]
;W[fe]CR[fe]WL[172.399]OW[24]
;B[gq]CR[gq]BL[159.317]OB[23]
;W[jl]CR[jl]WL[168.261]OW[23]
;B[kj]CR[kj]BL[153.647]OB[22]
;W[ll]CR[ll]WL[166.32]OW[22]
;B[km]CR[km]BL[147.83]OB[21]
;W[kl]CR[kl]WL[162.701]OW[21]
;B[in]CR[in]BL[146.751]OB[20]
;W[jm]CR[jm]WL[159.276]OW[20]
;B[jn]CR[jn]BL[143.591]OB[19]
;W[ji]CR[ji]WL[147.373]OW[19]
;B[jj]CR[jj]BL[139.785]OB[18]
;W[mj]CR[mj]WL[144.255]OW[18]
;B[ki]CR[ki]BL[124.388]OB[17]
;W[kg]CR[kg]WL[131.524]OW[17]
;B[jg]CR[jg]BL[122.402]OB[16]
;W[jf]CR[jf]WL[129.951]OW[16]
;B[jh]CR[jh]BL[117.149]OB[15]
;W[if]CR[if]WL[126.317]OW[15]
;B[hl]CR[hl]BL[111.143]OB[14]
;W[hm]CR[hm]WL[119.771]OW[14]
;B[im]CR[im]BL[108.835]OB[13]
;W[hk]CR[hk]WL[118.746]OW[13]
;B[il]CR[il]BL[107.903]OB[12]
;W[mn]CR[mn]WL[97.219]OW[12]
;B[lo]CR[lo]BL[102.126]OB[11]
;W[op]CR[op]WL[93.792]OW[11]
;B[np]CR[np]BL[99.416]OB[10]
;W[mc]CR[mc]WL[88.165]OW[10]
;B[nb]CR[nb]BL[90.985]OB[9]
;W[mb]CR[mb]WL[86.379]OW[9]
;B[ma]CR[ma]BL[81.317]OB[8]
;W[la]CR[la]WL[83.25]OW[8]
;B[na]CR[na]BL[80.245]OB[7]
;W[kb]CR[kb]WL[80.47]OW[7]
;B[om]CR[om]BL[68.438]OB[6]
;W[pl]CR[pl]WL[75.866]OW[6]
;B[ol]CR[ol]BL[66.469]OB[5]
;W[qe]CR[qe]WL[66.666]OW[5]
;B[pe]CR[pe]BL[63.192]OB[4]
;W[qf]CR[qf]WL[59.23]OW[4]
;B[rf]CR[rf]BL[61.444]OB[3]
;W[pf]CR[pf]WL[54.963]OW[3]
;B[pg]CR[pg]BL[59.879]OB[2]
;W[of]CR[of]WL[52.598]OW[2]
;B[qc]CR[qc]BL[59.09]OB[1]
;W[rh]CR[rh]WL[40.84]OW[1]
;B[rg]CR[rg]BL[180]OB[25]
;W[od]CR[od]WL[180]OW[25]
;B[og]CR[og]BL[166.218]OB[24]
;W[nf]CR[nf]WL[177.718]OW[24]
;B[lg]CR[lg]BL[156.664]OB[23]
;W[lf]CR[lf]WL[174.36]OW[23]
;B[kh]CR[kh]BL[155.149]OB[22]
;W[kf]CR[kf]WL[172.615]OW[22]
;B[pj]CR[pj]BL[149.154]OB[21]
;W[mh]CR[mh]WL[155.05]OW[21]
;B[hg]CR[hg]BL[105.193]OB[20]
;W[es]CR[es]WL[143.014]OW[20]
;B[al]CR[al]BL[95.125]OB[19]
;W[am]CR[am]WL[141.315]OW[19]
;B[ak]CR[ak]BL[94.334]OB[18]
;W[bm]CR[bm]WL[126.691]OW[18]
;B[bc]CR[bc]BL[81.93]OB[17]
;W[ad]CR[ad]WL[109.762]OW[17]
;B[cc]CR[cc]BL[77.445]OB[16]
;W[cd]CR[cd]WL[105.53]OW[16]
;B[db]CR[db]BL[75.748]OB[15]
;W[bb]CR[bb]WL[98.666]OW[15]
;B[ec]CR[ec]BL[74.287]OB[14]
;W[dd]CR[dd]WL[97.466]OW[14]
;B[cb]CR[cb]BL[64.733]OB[13]
;W[fb]CR[fb]WL[83.055]OW[13]
;B[eb]CR[eb]BL[59.882]OB[12]
;W[ac]CR[ac]WL[76.391]OW[12]
;B[ba]CR[ba]BL[51.832]OB[11]
;W[ab]CR[ab]WL[74.858]OW[11]
;B[gb]CR[gb]BL[50.839]OB[10]
;W[fc]CR[fc]WL[72.473]OW[10]
;B[fd]CR[fd]BL[49.74]OB[9]
;W[gc]CR[gc]WL[68.976]OW[9]
;B[ed]CR[ed]BL[42.595]OB[8]
;W[ee]CR[ee]WL[61.852]OW[8]
;B[gd]CR[gd]BL[40.16]OB[7]
;W[hc]CR[hc]WL[59.124]OW[7]
;B[ge]CR[ge]BL[38.952]OB[6]
;W[gf]CR[gf]WL[57.985]OW[6]
;B[hf]CR[hf]BL[37.478]OB[5]
;W[he]CR[he]WL[57.199]OW[5]
;B[gg]CR[gg]BL[32.275]OB[4]
;W[ff]CR[ff]WL[43.416]OW[4]
;B[hd]CR[hd]BL[31.357]OB[3]
;W[ie]CR[ie]WL[41.083]OW[3]
;B[fg]CR[fg]BL[30.242]OB[2]
;W[ag]CR[ag]WL[37.472]OW[2]
;B[bf]CR[bf]BL[25.805]OB[1]
;W[ca]CR[ca]WL[33.339]OW[1]
;B[fh]CR[fh]BL[180]OB[25]C[

])
(;B[kd]CR[kd]C[freeks [12k\]: this was L16
RocheL [-\]: yep
]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[if]CR[if]C[Grimley [5k\]: no j16
Grimley [5k\]: not l16
])
(;B[id]CR[id]TR[dg][eg][eh]C[Scribe [-\]: L16 is wrong unless a big moyo would result on the right side for black
Scribe [-\]: j16 is very nice
Scribe [-\]: good reduction
Scribe [-\]: white very strong on left, black must be careful
]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[je]CR[je]
;B[if]CR[if]
;W[hb]CR[hb])
(;B[je]CR[je]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[gd]CR[gd]C[Scribe [-\]: black k15 may be even better for black
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]C[jantiff [?\]: yes
]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[jb]CR[jb]C[Scribe [-\]: also middle game josei
fringd [9k\]: i hear
agui [7k\]: hello
RocheL [-\]: me 2
Uberdude [12k\]: hi
Scribe [-\]: crosscut is tesuji
Uberdude [12k\]: yes
zee [10k\]: yes
fringd [9k\]: yes
]
(;W[ib]CR[ib]C[noel [10k\]: yes please
jiku [10k\]: yes
]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[ja]CR[ja]
;B[ld]CR[ld]C[freeks [12k\]: this is nice for black?
])
(;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[mc]CR[mc])))
(;W[df]CR[df]C[rayen [9k\]: D14 !
]
;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[fh]CR[fh]C[Scribe [-\]: very nice middle game joseki by white on left
]))
(;W[cp]CR[cp]C[fringd [9k\]: ah
]
;B[gp]CR[gp]C[Scribe [-\]: c2 makes black e4 sente
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[fringd [9k\]: ah
agui [7k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: c4 prevents black e4 from being sente
Scribe [-\]: c4 saves a move
]))
(;W[dq]CR[dq]C[goshu [7k\]: e3
])
(;W[eq]TR[cm][dp][eq]C[fringd [9k\]: ok
]))
(;B[ic]CR[ic]C[zee [10k\]: no
RocheL [-\]: ....
jramon [15k\]: hi
saruman [-\]: hi
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: hello
zee [10k\]: yes
RocheL [-\]: we acn hear
saruman [-\]: yes
RocheL [-\]: *can
mstarsup5 [6k\]: we hear you
Scribe [-\]: top side has more potential
]
(;W[kc]CR[kc]C[Grimley [5k\]: rejoin then
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[jantiff [?\]: this looks better
Scribe [-\]: j17 is greedy
Grimley [5k\]: then it is in sync again
]
;W[ee]CR[ee]C[freeks [12k\]: yes
Grimley [5k\]: yes
Eof [?\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes thanks
fringd [9k\]: yes
freeks [12k\]: definitely clear :)
goshu [7k\]: thx
])
(;W[gc]CR[gc]C[agui [7k\]: yes
]
;B[ie]CR[ie]C[goshu [7k\]: sound is about 6 or 7 seconds late :(
]))
(;B[hc]CR[hc]C[Scribe [-\]: but j17 is safe....space for two space jump on both sides\\
agui [7k\]: white k17
fringd [9k\]: no room
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[Saikun [9k\]: K17 N17 ?
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[freeks [12k\]: we should make sure that when the opponent seperate us that we can make a base
])
(;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[he]CR[he])
(;B[kc]CR[kc]C[Grimley [5k\]: audio is behind with the board
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: rejoin
agui [7k\]: no
fringd [9k\]: uhmm...
noel [10k\]: it looks safe
fringd [9k\]: interesting
Saikun [9k\]: too near
agui [7k\]: white extends to J17
]
;W[ic]CR[ic]C[agui [7k\]: white happy
]
;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[ie]CR[ie]LB[ec:4][fc:3][gc:2][hc:1]C[freeks [12k\]: its small
fringd [9k\]: it's even
isshoni [13k?\]: gives too much to W
fringd [9k\]: we should try to gain since we go first
zee [10k\]: give up too much to W
rayen [9k\]: gives more to white
jantiff [?\]: too small moyo
]))
(;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[dh]CR[dh])
(;B[ce]CR[ce]C[Scribe [-\]: this is correct play
agui [7k\]: yes
freeks [12k\]: yes
PieFeliz [10k?\]: yes
joshiva [4k\]: is D15 worse?
]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
(;B[cq]CR[cq])
(;B[fq]CR[fq]C[hansb [5k\]: D3
zee [10k\]: d3
rayen [9k\]: D3 
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]C[fringd [9k\]: d3
])))
(;W[cf]CR[cf]C[Scribe [-\]: white has more potential on top than on bottom
]
;B[cn]CR[cn]C[Scribe [-\]: top is wider
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[freeks [12k\]: nice
rayen [9k\]: yes
freeks [12k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
SILD [6k\]: yes
Mokuseki [10k\]: yes very clear
]))
(;C[jantiff [?\]: 7 points in the corner ^^
Scribe [-\]: after white p11 the black invasion at r8 is hard....white s7 causes black to lose points
])
(;B[]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[sp]CR[sp]
;B[sq]CR[sq]
;W[so]CR[so]
;B[rq]CR[rq]))
(;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Scribe [-\]: s16 occurs in many pro games....probe
]
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[sd]CR[sd]C[goshu [7k\]: ok, it's clear
]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[Scribe [-\]: this is what white wants
]
;W[qi]CR[qi]LB[rd:B][qg:A]C[Uberdude [12k\]: very interesting, thanks
SILD [6k\]: ya
])
(;B[pe]CR[pe]C[goshu [7k\]: unaudible again
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[Scribe [-\]: use pattern match in GoBase or MoyogoStudio
]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[Scribe [-\]: common fuseki
Scribe [-\]: searches also possible in MasterGo
])))
(;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Scribe [-\]: Black s16: much better for white than following the joseki in the bottom right immediately
]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Scribe [-\]: again hard for black to play at r13....less valuable to black
SILD [6k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
]))
(;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[Scribe [-\]: not local speed problem....problem between your provide and KGS provider
]
;W[]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[rm]CR[rm]
(;B[rj]CR[rj])
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [-\]: r13 perfect move....sets up invasion at r8
])))
(;W[di]CR[di]C[mstarsup5 [6k\]: yes :)
saruman [-\]: ounds ok
isshoni [13k?\]: yes
freeks [12k\]: sound ok
goshu [7k\]: just now sound ok
SILD [6k\]: right
agui [7k\]: R5
]
(;B[pk]CR[pk]C[rayen [9k\]: K4 ?
dogenzenji [22k\]: finish the corner?
point [13k\]: k4 
Scribe [-\]: connecting stones is valuable....better than taking another big point and getting split
])
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[point [13k\]: ^?
]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[qh]CR[qh])))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[Scribe [-\]: Question.
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[Kireta [26k\]: Hi
]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Scribe [-\]: Only the upper right corner is joseki
]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[cm]CR[cm]LB[jp:B][cq:A][iq:C]C[Scribe [-\]: Only the upper right corner is joseki
ayarij [10k\]: really ? looks like a joseki too, but with more weaknesses
au2 [3k\]: w C3
fringd [9k\]: yah c3
agui [7k\]: d3
Scribe [-\]: rather than playing d2, white should play one of several possibilities: c3 is one
Scribe [-\]: or play k4
mairov [19k\]: I like B
Scribe [-\]: or play j3......j3 vs k4 depends upon the lower right corner
]
(;W[dr]CR[dr]TR[cm][dp]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[iq]CR[iq]C[Scribe [-\]: top right and lower left are different
goshu [7k\]: yes
murky: big 
young92 [3k\]: yes
freeks [12k\]: yes
rayen [9k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes  of course
MacKniver [28k?\]: yes
ruger [19k\]: yes
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: yes
Kireta [26k\]: yes
ligo [?\]: one space vs two
aNivolet73: yes
rayen [9k\]: top is joseki
Scribe [-\]: Which is joseki ?
MacKniver [28k?\]: 2nd is
goshu [7k\]: better for b in the lower right
Arturas [5k\]: bouth
Zark [4k\]: top right is joseki
young92 [3k\]: r17 
butterfork: top right is joseki?
ohar [27k?\]: what is joseki :-)
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: O17 joseki
goshu [7k\]: top joseki
agui [7k\]: top right
au2 [3k\]: bottom left not
Scribe [-\]: After c7 white must select a different path
])
(;W[jp]CR[jp]C[ayarij [10k\]: black D2 ?
agui [7k\]: Would D3 be possible ?
]
(;AW[pp]C[Scribe [-\]: assuming white stone at q4, then k4 is good for white
Scribe [-\]: very efficient
fringd [9k\]: is f5 the next move?
freeks [12k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: yes
smudge [?\]: yes
freeks [12k\]: sound is good
fringd [9k\]: yes
nux [14k?\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: yes we hear you
agui [7k\]: yes
zee [10k\]: yes
]
(;B[dq]CR[dq]C[Scribe [-\]: d3 is proper move for black to defend the corner
DrGoPlayer [-\]: what bout b at h3?
])
(;B[]C[xDarigaaz [9k?\]: little lagy
leary [14k\]: yep
BuckCentre [16k?\]: :)
swilks [7k\]: yes
]
(;W[cq]CR[cq]C[mairov [19k\]: lagggggggg
fringd [9k\]: hello
rayen [9k\]: hoping the new cgoban handles lag problems better
smudge [?\]: audio starting to break up
dogenzenji [22k\]: yes lag
BuckCentre [16k?\]: ...
ammon [16k\]: we cant hear you, there is lag
ohar [27k?\]: audio is not good
freeks [12k\]: wait a few seconds
Scribe [-\]: Guo Juan perhaps if you disconnect and reconnect  ?
josba: looping?
Tarkam [9k?\]: very bad :(
Tarkam [9k?\]: big lag :(
goshu [7k\]: can't hear
BuckCentre [16k?\]: My words show up very late too.
rayen [9k\]: I only hear ue au eu au
rayen [9k\]: repeating :p
mstarsup5 [6k\]: kgs too lagguy these days..
ligo [?\]: if you  open "server stats" window, you will see a response time figure.
zee [10k\]: There is a KGS Plus Club game
isshoni [13k?\]: it lags also in the main room
goshu [7k\]: audio lmectures on KGS become worst and worst
SitaRam [4k?\]: hm
kouchi [3k\]: # of people in room is not important i think.  has to do with a bottleneck somewhere else
freeks [12k\]: so we wait for reconnect
blacklabel [11k\]: java just pwns the net..
aNivolet73: use extend for comms
BuckCentre [16k?\]: lol
wrong [?\]: in the meantime, any1 knows where to buy ING sets in Europe?????
blacklabel [11k\]: ING sets?
pel [10k\]: ing equipment
pel [10k\]: stones and boards
wrong [?\]: mingjiu started another game
wrong [?\]: stones only
pel [10k\]: the stone sets are a bit different..
fringd [9k\]: i like the ing stones, cheap, and they have a nice weight
blacklabel [11k\]: mh are they diffrent from normal gobans?
ligo [?\]: "rsponse time" shot up to 26000 whis is 26 seconds
wrong [?\]: cheap, but only in USA, nowhere to buy in EU :(
wingnut [-\]: mingjiu has started his lesson
Kireta [26k\]: ok
Briar: alright see you later
aNivolet73: thanks
wrong [?\]: ok ^_^
wingnut [-\]: thx guojuan
fringd [9k\]: ok
freeks [12k\]: ok
zee [10k\]: ok
mairov [19k\]: ok, maybe now it works..
goshu [7k\]: after mingjiu ? ok
Scribe [-\]: Everyone go to Mingjiu's lecture
mairov [19k\]: ok
goshu [7k\]: ok
agui [7k\]: ok
mairov [19k\]: see ya Guo
Scribe [-\]: Okay Guo Juan
guojuan [5p\]: please go to Mingjiu's lecture
guojuan [5p\]: I will teach later
dogenzenji [22k\]: hello
wrong [?\]: welcome back
Briar: welcome back :)
Scribe [-\]: Please do not chat in the lesson
Scribe [-\]: Go somewhere else to chat
ray12 [23k\]: ?? what is she saying   i cant understand
]
;B[dq]CR[dq]C[Briar: hi
Scribe [-\]: It is disrespectful to Guojuan to talk in class
freeks [12k\]: we can hear
wrong [?\]: we hear
agui [7k\]: hello
Scribe [-\]: we can hear
]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[do]CR[do]C[freeks [12k\]: too many spectators 
]
(;W[dr]CR[dr]C[wrong [?\]: so not only KGS, the links to the EAST are slow :(
]
;B[er]CR[er]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[co]CR[co]C[GoMe [2k?\]: kgs
wingnut [-\]: kgs
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: but whites F3 stone is damaged
Mokuseki [10k\]: no everyone's pb
moot: likely KGS
ligo [?\]: kgs not you
wrong [?\]: the whole internet problem
guojuan [5p\]: lag
wrong [?\]: 'm having troubles with japanese sites in the last few days
rayen [9k\]: yes
]
;B[fp]CR[fp]C[freeks [12k\]: please be patient
ray12 [23k\]: im going to do something else
Mokuseki [10k\]: sound is interrupted
])
(;W[co]CR[co]C[agui [7k\]: hello
fringd [9k\]: yes we hear
dogenzenji [22k\]: We can be patient ;-)
]
(;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Kireta [26k\]: Yes
agui [7k\]: yes 
]
;W[bl]CR[bl]C[wrong [?\]: maybe should type short comments
Scribe [-\]: Guo Juan it may be your service provider....the chat comes through quickly
]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[ligo [?\]: Rooms, File, Server stats
]
;W[bk]CR[bk])
(;B[cn]CR[cn]C[ligo [?\]: llok for response time
]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[er]CR[er]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[bn]CR[bn]
;W[ar]CR[ar]C[Scribe [-\]: modern joseki
])))
(;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[cq]TR[cm][dp][cq])))
(;B[]C[DrGoPlayer [-\]: what if b at H3 now?
agui [7k\]: yes
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: yes
SILD [6k\]: yes
pel [10k\]: yup
hadar1989 [23k\]: yah
fringd [9k\]: yes
Mokuseki [10k\]: yes
fringd [9k\]: no keima
Janez [3k\]: yes
manakem10 [12k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: sound seems a little better
smudge [?\]: yes, audio is fine
mstarsup5 [6k\]: we hear you
hansb [5k\]: you WERE out of synch
goshu [7k\]: hashed sound
]))))
