(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[2700]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2006-02-19]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[murky: Hi, LaoShi, NiHao Uvas [-\]: hello Firzen [16k\]: hi kilroy [6k\]: hello gertzu [-\]: hi Bodo212 [15k\]: hello Soul [6k\]: Hi Uvas [-\]: ok Bodo212 [15k\]: Ihear fine murky: beautiful gertzu [-\]: yep jtar [6k\]: ok gogogo07 [10k?\]: nice voice :-) Firzen [16k\]: nice day wrong [?\]: great gertzu [-\]: will u sing for us? ;))) WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: good morning Uvas [-\]: congratulations Scribe [-\]: Ni hao Guo Juan Laoshi Scribe [-\]: Toyota Denso Oza wrong [?\]: in the city of Amsterdam, there was a lot of Go fun ^_^ Scribe [-\]: European Qualifying tournament wrong [?\]: we saw photos ^_^ Scribe [-\]: audio site: http://www.audiogolessons.com Scribe [-\]: Finals in August in Japan Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu won the North American Western Division in Las Vegas Scribe [-\]: Yeah Mingjiu! wrong [?\]: what if you two meet in a game? ] ;B[dp]CR[dp]C[Scribe [-\]: Game: Guo Juan vs ??? ] ;W[pq]CR[pq] ;B[dc]CR[dc]C[wrong [?\]: Lazarev? wrong [?\]: B: Alexei Lazarev Aggel [-\]: Alexander Dinnershtein Scribe [-\]: Black is Alex Lazarev, a top Russian player ] ;W[pc]CR[pc]C[Aggel [-\]: ow -_- Aggel [-\]: sorry ] ;B[pe]CR[pe]C[Scribe [-\]: mukai komoku ! ] (;W[pg]CR[pg] (;B[ne]CR[ne] ;W[nc]CR[nc]C[guojuan [5p\]: lag WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: uh... ] (;B[qc]CR[qc] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[qd]CR[qd]C[rodmantr [23k\]: Yep fryskenfry [18k\]: yes, fine Hu [12k?\]: Please ask about sound in the room, not the game, people. ] (;W[rb]CR[rb] ;B[mc]CR[mc]) (;W[ob]CR[ob]C[Scribe [-\]: white extension at s18 is an error, allows balck to attack Scribe [-\]: yes we hear Uvas [-\]: yes Emperor [12k\]: yes murky: GuanJuan Laoshi, did you prepare this before the game? Conch [12k\]: good gertzu [-\]: yas Bodo212 [15k\]: so8nd fine WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: sound on ] (;B[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [-\]: white group is extremely strong, no sente moves against it Scribe [-\]: makes the black group weak ] ;W[ng]CR[ng] ;B[le]CR[le] ;W[lg]CR[lg]C[Scribe [-\]: attacking the white stone q13 is a mistake ]) (;B[qi]CR[qi]C[Scribe [-\]: white p12 splits the black position ] ;W[oh]CR[oh] ;B[rg]CR[rg]C[Blaubaer [6d\]: 10 looks so natural ... ] ;W[qf]CR[qf] ;B[rf]CR[rf] ;W[qe]CR[qe] ;B[re]CR[re] ;W[pd]CR[pd]C[Blaubaer [6d\]: r10 ]) (;B[qg]CR[qg] ;W[qh]CR[qh]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki ] ;B[ph]CR[ph]C[Scribe [-\]: several variations follow the crosscut Uvas [-\]: teacher asked ] (;W[qi]CR[qi] ;B[og]CR[og] ;W[pi]CR[pi] ;B[pf]CR[pf] ;W[qn]CR[qn] ;B[jq]CR[jq]C[jtar [6k\]: sound off ? Scribe [-\]: one example of Guo Juan's plan for the game Firzen [16k\]: no ] (;W[de]CR[de]) (;W[ce]CR[ce]) (;W[cn]CR[cn])) (;W[rg]CR[rg] ;B[qf]CR[qf] ;W[qi]CR[qi] ;B[oh]CR[oh] (;W[ql]CR[ql]) (;W[pi]CR[pi]C[Scribe [-\]: r8 when the lower right corner is black ] ;B[nh]CR[nh] ;W[qn]CR[qn]C[Scribe [-\]: q11 when lower right corner is whtie Scribe [-\]: another plan of Guo Juan's during the game lil: why did black play N12? ] ;B[]C[lil: O12 i mean Scribe [-\]: black group is not totally alive ] ;W[rf]CR[rf]C[Scribe [-\]: this push is very powerful ] (;B[re]CR[re] ;W[pf]CR[pf] ;B[qe]CR[qe] ;W[rc]CR[rc]C[Scribe [-\]: destroys eye space...only one eye ]) (;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[ra]CR[ra] ;B[sb]CR[sb] ;W[re]CR[re])))))) (;B[po]CR[po]C[murky: B tenuki Scribe [-\]: Game Uvas [-\]: :) Blaubaer [6d\]: :-) murky: okey DnF [6k\]: thats no problem ] (;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Scribe [-\]: Black could not decide and not urgent, therefore black took sente and awaited further developments ] ;B[qc]CR[qc] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[qd]CR[qd] ;W[ob]CR[ob] ;B[qg]CR[qg] ;W[qh]CR[qh] ;B[ph]CR[ph]C[murky: possible development murky: not sufficient for W Scribe [-\]: not efficient for white, lower right corner becomes small ]) (;W[ng]CR[ng]C[ljl [13k\]: its great information, dont stop on our account!!!! Scribe [-\]: Game first then variations murky: we can study later Scribe [-\]: Game fryskenfry [18k\]: with audio it is still clear what is the main and what the variation olczyk [14k\]: It's Ok. When we review, w can go to gob ase. WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: ok Area53 [11k\]: Or load the game and do the variations there... Scribe [-\]: no problem, we are very glad to hear your remarks on the game GoCat [9k\]: Its also on Go4Go Scribe [-\]: Game ] ;B[le]CR[le] ;W[pl]CR[pl] ;B[mp]CR[mp] ;W[oo]CR[oo] ;B[on]CR[on] ;W[no]CR[no] (;B[pp]CR[pp] ;W[nq]CR[nq] ;B[qq]CR[qq]C[oeillet [9k?\]: yes Scribe [-\]: r2 often played wiht black stone at top left hoshi ] ;W[oq]CR[oq] ;B[nn]CR[nn]C[Scribe [-\]: common joseki ] ;W[mo]CR[mo]C[wingnut [-\]: don't worry :) ] (;B[qr]CR[qr]C[Tokee [13k\]: n4 stone is useless ? ] ;W[pn]CR[pn] ;B[pm]CR[pm] ;W[qn]CR[qn] ;B[qm]CR[qm] ;W[ro]CR[ro] ;B[qo]CR[qo] ;W[rn]CR[rn] ;B[rm]CR[rm] ;W[rp]CR[rp] ;B[qp]CR[qp]C[Scribe [-\]: black wants r2 for territory ] ;W[rq]CR[rq] ;B[rr]CR[rr] ;W[om]CR[om] ;B[rk]CR[rk] ;W[qk]CR[qk] ;B[rl]CR[rl] (;W[nm]CR[nm]C[Scribe [-\]: must read the ladder murky: ladder works for B Emperor [12k\]: good for B BruceLeroy [8k\]: black noel [10k\]: good for black Conch [12k\]: b ]) (;W[dd]CR[dd]C[Scribe [-\]: before playing r2 verify that the ladder is good ] ;B[nm]CR[nm] ;W[cc]CR[cc]LB[dd:B][qr:A]C[Scribe [-\]: then check that the ladder break is not too damaging ])) (;B[rp]CR[rp]C[Blaubaer [6d\]: its ok :-) murky: we are not tired to understand though wrong [?\]: it's important u're cheerful WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: ok Conch [12k\]: you are fine Scribe [-\]: s4 is not favored by many pros these days Scribe [-\]: Game wrong [?\]: and now u can meet Chang Hao in Japan? yfh2 [6k?\]: you broke the game tree again ;-) Scribe [-\]: Nei Weiping asked Guo Juan to write an article for him for Weiqi Tiandi(??). Nei does the diagrams and Guo Juan did the text. ] (;W[hq]CR[hq]C[murky: This is the game murky: must be played as slow as she is explaining it Scribe [-\]: Nie Weiping ] (;B[]C[Ives08 [8k?\]: a lag spike. ] ;W[cn]CR[cn] ;B[fq]CR[fq] ;W[bp]CR[bp] ;B[cq]CR[cq] (;W[ck]CR[ck]) (;W[ho]CR[ho]C[guojuan [5p\]: lag again braincrash [?\]: be patient, only a little netlag ] ;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Scribe [-\]: white territory is very efficient on bottom WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: (= wrong [?\]: Nie won 11 games in a row in Japan-China super match wrong [?\]: jujo made remarkable result too murky: JoJu is also a hero Javaness [5k\]: is it really bad for black to play something like L4 after H3? Emperor [12k\]: sound dropped WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: hello wrong [?\]: net lag ligo [?\]: NEC supergo from 1983 ] ;W[en]CR[en]C[Scribe [-\]: From Nie Weiping article ])) (;B[cm]CR[cm] ;W[ml]CR[ml]LB[mn:A]C[WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: spiking net lag ] ;B[mn]CR[mn] ;W[lo]CR[lo] ;B[ln]CR[ln] ;W[ko]CR[ko]) (;B[ip]CR[ip] ;W[hp]CR[hp] ;B[io]CR[io] ;W[ho]CR[ho] ;B[in]CR[in] ;W[jr]CR[jr]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki ] (;B[kc]CR[kc]C[Scribe [-\]: Game Emperor [12k\]: :-) Scribe [-\]: coffee break move....move played at the wrong time. lil: L4 for white? WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: breaking coffee move Scribe [-\]: fighting in lower part is still in crucial stage aditsu [12k\]: godd thing I don't drink coffee Scribe [-\]: better for black to have played at q10 or o8 ] (;W[lm]CR[lm]C[Ciovo [8k\]: why not N6? Emperor [12k\]: keima to attack, tobi to defend? Uvas [-\]: :) ] (;B[pj]CR[pj] ;W[nl]CR[nl]C[Scribe [-\]: black three stones now quite weak, when they run the lower left is become weak ]) (;B[ol]CR[ol] ;W[ok]CR[ok] ;B[nl]CR[nl] (;W[ql]CR[ql]C[Scribe [-\]: Game Ciovo [8k\]: whooops you did it again :P Javaness [5k\]: the original game is stored in Oza1Europe anyway :) wrong [?\]: want to cut Scribe [-\]: r8 preserves the cutting point in black shape at q6 Scribe [-\]: Game ] ;B[nk]CR[nk] ;W[oj]CR[oj] ;B[nj]CR[nj] (;W[cn]CR[cn] ;B[oi]CR[oi] ;W[pi]CR[pi] ;B[kp]CR[kp]C[cdub [?\]: your explanation is good Bodo212 [15k\]: ok ] (;W[lo]CR[lo]C[murky: jumping in Scribe [-\]: Guo Juan took a long thinking time here rayen [8k\]: :) gertzu [-\]: ;) Firzen [16k\]: bad matter of habit ^^ oeillet [9k?\]: m2 ? lil: what game tree? let's call it game branch ;-) yfh2 [6k?\]: break it as you like :-) cdub [?\]: i like it when you break the game keplen [7k?\]: d2? Hu [12k?\]: We forgive you. wingnut [-\]: no need aditsu [12k\]: she sounds overly happy, I wonder what happened wrong [?\]: she's still excited coz won ^_^ olczyk [14k\]: You know what they say at walmart. You break it you buy it. ] ;B[kr]CR[kr] ;W[jq]CR[jq] ;B[kq]CR[kq]C[Blaubaer [6d\]: e5? Javaness [5k\]: very heavy ]) (;W[lq]CR[lq] (;B[lp]CR[lp] ;W[kq]CR[kq]C[murky: W played cautious ] ;B[mn]CR[mn]C[Scribe [-\]: played conservatively ]) (;B[mn]CR[mn] ;W[ln]CR[ln] ;B[lp]CR[lp] ;W[kq]CR[kq] ;B[lo]CR[lo]C[Scribe [-\]: Game murky: 1 sec happiness Scribe [-\]: these two stones (m6, m7) can not escape ] (;W[jm]CR[jm] ;B[im]CR[im] (;W[jk]CR[jk] ;B[kl]CR[kl]) (;W[jl]CR[jl] (;B[ij]CR[ij]) (;B[il]CR[il] ;W[jk]CR[jk] ;B[ii]CR[ii]C[Scribe [-\]: very bad for white ]))) (;W[en]CR[en]C[murky: Testing move Scribe [-\]: e6 attack corner and probe black response Scribe [-\]: steps: 1 count territory Scribe [-\]: when not feeling good about game Scribe [-\]: limit black to minimal gain in capture the two stones erokay [-\]: d2? ] (;B[bp]CR[bp] ;W[dr]CR[dr]C[Scribe [-\]: Game wrong [?\]: as happy as a child ;) murky: sound lag? XY0908 [-\]: ? WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: no sound aditsu [12k\]: she fell down, too happy jtar [6k\]: ? oeillet [9k?\]: we dont here you at all now jug [17k\]: no sound braincrash [?\]: maybe dropped hansb [5k?\]: the sound of happiness has gone murky: overjoyed rayen [8k\]: lag QuanSiMenh [9k\]: no sound, either oeillet [9k?\]: OK, sound is back rodmantr [23k\]: hapiness makes lag suducodu [?\]: Nope, sound is sitll gone for me bigfish [6k?\]: ; WoolyMaCha [12k\]: net problem QuanSiMenh [9k\]: but guojuan has gone +_+ DrGoPlayer [-\]: escaped murky: hmm not hre murky: jere oeillet [9k?\]: gone again Ophelia [14k?\]: broke the game. murky: here olczyk [14k\]: SOund back guyojaun gone. oeillet [9k?\]: ok murky: yes, back Ophelia [14k?\]: hello! wingnut [-\]: wb rayen [8k\]: ok now ^^ braincrash [?\]: hi :) cdub [?\]: :) ] ;B[er]CR[er] ;W[eq]CR[eq] ;B[dq]CR[dq]C[WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: oh-o suducodu [?\]: Yay you're back :) ] (;W[cr]CR[cr]C[QuanSiMenh [9k\]: network is bad these days +_+ murky: in the game erokay [-\]: first b is d2? ] (;B[fr]CR[fr] ;W[fq]CR[fq] ;B[gr]CR[gr]C[murky: did not play soft ] ;W[bq]CR[bq]) (;B[bn]CR[bn] ;W[co]CR[co] ;B[bo]CR[bo] ;W[cm]CR[cm]C[Javaness [5k\]: Original game record is at http://kgs.kiseido.com/games/2006/2/12/oza2europe-2.sgf Scribe [-\]: black reaading mistake here ] ;B[br]CR[br] ;W[bs]CR[bs] ;B[cq]CR[cq] ;W[fr]CR[fr] ;B[bm]CR[bm] ;W[bl]CR[bl] (;B[cl]CR[cl] ;W[bk]CR[bk]) (;B[aq]CR[aq] ;W[ce]CR[ce] ;B[cl]CR[cl] ;W[bk]CR[bk] ;B[dl]CR[dl] ;W[dj]CR[dj] ;B[cj]CR[cj]C[rayen [8k\]: still not alive :D ] ;W[ck]CR[ck] ;B[dk]CR[dk]C[murky: game is very good for W ] ;W[ci]CR[ci] ;B[ej]CR[ej] ;W[di]CR[di] ;B[fo]CR[fo] ;W[fn]CR[fn] ;B[gn]CR[gn]C[QuanSiMenh [9k\]: i like guojuan happy face ^_^ ] ;W[gm]CR[gm] ;B[ep]CR[ep] ;W[es]CR[es] ;B[fl]CR[fl] ;W[hn]CR[hn] ;B[go]CR[go] ;W[im]CR[im] ;B[fm]CR[fm] ;W[jm]CR[jm]C[murky: there is a ko in the corner ]))) (;W[fr]CR[fr])) (;B[cq]CR[cq] ;W[dr]CR[dr] ;B[cr]CR[cr] ;W[bp]CR[bp] ;B[bq]CR[bq]LB[bn:A]C[Scribe [-\]: minimal life ] ;W[de]CR[de]C[Scribe [-\]: game is okay for white murky: feeling happy now Blaubaer [6d\]: :-) fryskenfry [18k\]: when you play, you imagine to be with us? :) aditsu [12k\]: like when you have too much wine QuanSiMenh [9k\]: ^_^, guojuan is sweet Hu [12k?\]: The emotional state of Go players and how it affects the game. Scribe [-\]: babbling brook wrong [?\]: still can't believe you won ^_^ keplen [7k?\]: (>")> olczyk [14k\]: Ab out 5-10 ahead right now. ]))))) (;W[kp]CR[kp]C[fryskenfry [18k\]: that's why you are tired, then. murky: this morning GuaJuan thought about this move Javaness [5k\]: this one isn't so exciting though rayen [8k\]: same as me .. often think of my own games ^^ murky: this was a defining move braincrash [?\]: this is a happy move DnF [6k\]: yes, this move seems worse for the spectators :) Blaubaer [6d\]: j4 stones are heavy now? murky: B already forgot about this Ciovo [8k\]: we appreciate Conch [12k\]: thank you guo oeillet [9k?\]: thank you Tokee [13k\]: domo nux [14k\]: thank you Bodo212 [15k\]: thanks Emperor [12k\]: Thank YOU gogogo07 [10k?\]: Thanks a LOT jug [17k\]: thanks you Uvas [-\]: thank you Ophelia [14k?\]: thank-you very much! DnF [6k\]: thanks a lot guo juan! braincrash [?\]: thank u too Zark [5k\]: thank you fryskenfry [18k\]: thank you Javaness [5k\]: thanks \\o/ murky: thanks, Guan Juan LaoShi noel [10k\]: thank you for teaching linfir [?\]: thanks Soul [6k\]: gg, thx Blaubaer [6d\]: thank you kyucumber [5k\]: thanks very much BruceLeroy [8k\]: thank you QuanSiMenh [9k\]: thks guojuan ruger [19k\]: thank you kouchi [3k\]: thanks, it was great Pnin [?\]: thx kilroy [6k\]: thanks wholeboard [7k\]: thank you flush [2d\]: thanks^^ Ciovo [8k\]: see you oeillet [9k?\]: bye Javaness [5k\]: mingjiu \\o/ nux [14k\]: see you Darkmoore [12k\]: thankx rayen [8k\]: thx iskra [4k?\]: thank you maxxe [10k\]: thank you so much ljl [13k\]: thx ])) (;W[pk]CR[pk] ;B[] ;W[pn]CR[pn] ;B[pm]CR[pm] ;W[qn]CR[qn] ;B[qm]CR[qm]) (;W[pm]CR[pm] ;B[pn]CR[pn] ;W[] (;B[pk]CR[pk]) (;B[pi]CR[pi])))) (;W[mn]CR[mn]C[Scribe [-\]: Guo Juan wants to keep black split ] (;B[ol]CR[ol] ;W[ok]CR[ok] ;B[nl]CR[nl] ;W[ql]CR[ql] ;B[lm]CR[lm]) (;B[nl]CR[nl]C[wingnut [-\]: q6 WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: hmm Grimley [5k\]: p8 now Ciovo [8k\]: Q6 now Javaness [5k\]: the cut? Q6 Emperor [12k\]: beacuse Q6 Zark [5k\]: because of m7 rayen [8k\]: Q6 Blaubaer [6d\]: q6 fryskenfry [18k\]: p8 Grimley [5k\]: bad shape? ] ;W[pn]CR[pn] ;B[pm]CR[pm]C[WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: q6 lil: P7 rayen [8k\]: P7 Emperor [12k\]: r6 Blaubaer [6d\]: p7 ] ;W[om]CR[om]C[Scribe [-\]: q6 punishes o8 move ] ;B[qn]CR[qn] ;W[nm]CR[nm]))) (;B[cm]CR[cm]) (;B[pj]CR[pj]C[wrong [?\]: tea-break move ]) (;B[nl]CR[nl]))) (;W[jq]CR[jq]))) (;B[qq]CR[qq]C[Scribe [-\]: another option WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: =) Scribe [-\]: quite new move lil: it was in a dangame recently, white was thinking very long on this one ] ;W[nq]CR[nq]C[oeillet [9k?\]: cho chikun played it recently ] (;B[pr]CR[pr]C[Scribe [-\]: often played when the ladder is not good for black ] ;W[qp]CR[qp] ;B[pp]CR[pp] ;W[oq]CR[oq] ;B[qr]CR[qr] ;W[pn]CR[pn] ;B[qo]CR[qo] ;W[qn]CR[qn]) (;B[pp]CR[pp]))))) (;B[md]CR[md]C[WE0ARE0SIN [?\]: hi lil: hi kilroy [6k\]: hello Scribe [-\]: very involved ] ;W[pd]CR[pd]LB[oe:A][qe:B]C[Scribe [-\]: another option for playing in the upper right murky: W's strong response ])) (;W[qg]CR[qg] ;B[qc]CR[qc] ;W[qd]CR[qd] ;B[pd]CR[pd] ;W[qe]CR[qe] ;B[qf]CR[qf] ;W[pf]CR[pf] ;B[rf]CR[rf] ;W[rc]CR[rc] ;B[qb]CR[qb] ;W[re]CR[re] ;B[oc]CR[oc] ;W[rg]CR[rg] ;B[of]CR[of] ;W[pg]CR[pg] ;B[po]CR[po]C[Scribe [-\]: a basic joseki, but slow for white murky: GuoJuan thought this was slow murky: What's the komi for this tournament? wrong [?\]: you have a bad feeling for certain variations ]))