(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00] PW[Lee ChanHo]PB[Luo XiHe]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2006-01-15]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[B: Luo XiHe 9p (罗洗河, China) W: Lee ChangHo 9p (李昌镐, Korea) Event: 10th Samsung Cup, finals game 3 komi: 6.5 Date: 2006-01-13 Place: Korea Result: B+5,5 Commentators: Wang Jian Kun 7p Hua Xue Ming 7p Guo Juan 5p freeks [12k\]: hi guo juan lao shi ^^ agui [6k?\]: Hello rakdver [8k\]: hello agui [6k?\]: yes happy53 [12k\]: hi Quinn [11k?\]: hi murky: Hi totylkoja [?\]: Hi :) Ozymandius [15k\]: Hi Firzen [17k\]: yeah freeks [12k\]: I hello, yes Hu [11k?\]: Hello, sound is clear ^^ Dinitak [-\]: hi Saichiro [16k?\]: Hi Scribe [-\]: Nihao Guo Juan Laoshi blacklabel [12k\]: yes suducodu [?\]: Cool we have commentors ;) suducodu [?\]: NI hao SILD [7k\]: yea Inkognito [4k?\]: hi xDarigaaz [9k\]: Hi Lestard [2k\]: wanshang hao ] (;B[pd]CR[pd] ;W[dd]CR[dd] ;B[qp]CR[qp] ;W[dp]CR[dp] ;B[fq]CR[fq] ;W[hq]CR[hq] ;B[oq]CR[oq] ;W[cn]CR[cn]C[Scribe [-\]: 10th Samsung Cup Result 2-1 for Luo Xihe ] ;B[fc]CR[fc]C[Scribe [-\]: black won all games ] ;W[cf]CR[cf] ;B[db]CR[db]C[murky: Like dringking wine Scribe [-\]: First time Lee Changho lost an Internation Tournament to a non-Korean ] (;W[hc]CR[hc]C[Scribe [-\]: Identical to first game up to move 12 ] ;B[cc]CR[cc]C[Scribe [-\]: for first game see variation ] (;W[ec]CR[ec] ;B[eb]CR[eb] ;W[fd]CR[fd] ;B[gd]CR[gd] ;W[gc]CR[gc] ;B[fb]CR[fb] ;W[ge]CR[ge]C[Scribe [-\]: this is normally used when the ladder is good for white ] ;B[dr]CR[dr]C[Scribe [-\]: Luo Xihe prefers territory ] (;W[eq]CR[eq] ;B[er]CR[er]C[partisan [18k\]: we have sound :) Scribe [-\]: correct we dont hear the stone sounds Quinn [11k?\]: i dont think thats important Zark [5k\]: the stone sound is anoying :) partisan [18k\]: we hear you :) Scribe [-\]: but we hear you speaking very well DrGoPlayer [-\]: its ok ligo [?\]: i prefer no stone sound pel [11k\]: zark is right. ] ;W[fp]CR[fp] (;B[gq]CR[gq]C[freeks [12k\]: sounds good :) Scribe [-\]: Luo Xihe left home at age 6 to live in a go master's house in Bejing Horc [4k\]: ah i want too Scribe [-\]: Could you write the name please ? davidwatt [9k\]: not at all:) guojuan [5p\]: Luo Jian Wen DrGoPlayer [-\]: its fine Kamiah [?\]: i like the stories ligo [?\]: i like storeis guojuan [5p\]: 7p Scribe [-\]: We like the stories cdub [?\]: i like stories freeks [12k\]: I'd like to live in china in a go masters school :) Scribe [-\]: Luo Jian Wen taught Luo Xihe, one of the best Chinese players in the '60s wrong [?\]: like Li Yue I guess ;) freeks [12k\]: who? freeks [12k\]: @wrong cdub [?\]: sounds like my apartment....only no go master wrong [?\]: liyue pel [11k\]: lol Horc [4k\]: a femal player freeks [12k\]: ah lol I know I know freeks [12k\]: I know her but I thought about your question wrong Scribe [-\]: normally considered a bad move to play g3...running into whites block ] ;W[gp]CR[gp]C[Horc [4k\]: yea =) wingnut [-\]: go jokes :P ] ;B[hr]CR[hr]C[pel [11k\]: hillarious :) ligo [?\]: those kind of moves would make goos book freeks [12k\]: I knew it ligo [?\]: good freeks [12k\]: someone said josekis are not good or sth. -.- Scribe [-\]: joseki are normal sequences BUT dont just follow them, use them as patterns and sources of ideas Quinn [11k?\]: alright tomorrow ill create a new move :) Horc [4k\]: ^^ Scribe [-\]: weak professionals dont modify their joseki wingnut [-\]: experience wrong [?\]: or better intuition Horc [4k\]: still b looks bad blacklabel [12k\]: wek pros ... ;) ] ;W[ir]CR[ir] ;B[cp]CR[cp] ;W[co]CR[co] ;B[dq]CR[dq] ;W[ep]CR[ep] ;B[bp]CR[bp]C[wrong [?\]: as said: Meijin can win without counting freeks [12k\]: gamne? freeks [12k\]: -n partisan [18k\]: i modify allthe time, have no idea about joseki :( Bomberman [17k\]: you can filter it could be good Scribe [-\]: Please do not use the game as a chat room freeks [12k\]: yes Scribe [-\]: Specific questions are welcome ] ;W[bd]CR[bd]C[suducodu [?\]: It'sfine now freeks [12k\]: lag ] ;B[bc]CR[bc]C[partisan [18k\]: there was a short lag davidwatt [9k\]: alot of lag, can just hear you cdub [?\]: yes ] (;W[gr]CR[gr]C[Scribe [-\]: patience needed ] ;B[fr]CR[fr]C[wingnut [-\]: some lag I think Scribe [-\]: closes left siee ] ;W[hs]CR[hs]C[partisan [18k\]: now its fine again Scribe [-\]: side ] (;B[dj]CR[dj]LB[ch:A][fj:C][cl:B]C[Horc [4k\]: it's gone Scribe [-\]: deep invasion ? seems too deep ? ] ;W[br]CR[br]C[Scribe [-\]: white would never respond to e10 with c10 , c10 is just too low Inkognito [4k?\]: corners live in seki Scribe [-\]: 2 hours time per player Scribe [-\]: very short for professionals Scribe [-\]: not much time to think Uberdude [14k\]: w or b is fast? Scribe [-\]: good for Luo Xihe, he is a very fast player ] ;B[bq]CR[bq] ;W[bo]CR[bo] ;B[ar]CR[ar]LB[en:A][hp:B]C[Horc [4k\]: F11 seems good Quinn [11k?\]: why not f10? Scribe [-\]: hard to attack d10 ] ;W[ej]CR[ej]C[Scribe [-\]: white force in corner to close left side below Scribe [-\]: contact weak stone !!!! Scribe [-\]: white has issues at both d6 and h4 ] (;B[dk]CR[dk]C[Scribe [-\]: crosscut splits black stones Talaer [10k?\]: audio gone? huxley [16k\]: voice lag Scribe [-\]: please wait patiently Uberdude [14k\]: yep partisan [18k\]: laq? SILD [7k\]: audio? agui [6k?\]: no audio partisan [18k\]: not only audio suducodu [?\]: audio is gone... blacklabel [12k\]: Scribe [-\]: please wait patiently Scribe [-\]: please wait patiently losted [10k?\]: geez, i think we get the message when 10 ppl write the SAME thing Falkor [18k\]: we have all noticed. Please stop stating the obvious ;-) dub3: you all scared her away TheDoctor [16k?\]: and please stop telling people to stop mentioning it :P losted [10k?\]: probably a connection problem, should just wait suducodu [?\]: Looks like Guo got disconnected wrong [?\]: in the meantime... dub3: hi :) Bomberman [17k\]: back :) jramon [15k\]: hi Uberdude [14k\]: yes MrAnderson: yes jramon [15k\]: yes imbad [13k\]: yes Ciovo [9k\]: yes, it's ok xix [?\]: y murky: Yes, we doi Scribe [-\]: Welcome back Guo Juan Quinn [11k?\]: wb Horc [4k\]: wheeee ] ;W[ek]CR[ek]C[suducodu [?\]: Oh, hello again fringd [9k\]: hear you now gogogo07: nice to here you again tibra [13k?\]: all right huxley [16k\]: couldnt anyone improve this kgs software ] ;B[cl]CR[cl]LB[bj:B][el:A]C[Scribe [-\]: g6 * Horc [4k\]: indeed MrAnderson: w played e10 hoping for crosscut? murky: glad are we Scribe [-\]: no problem, thank you for returning Horc [4k\]: e11 Scribe [-\]: c8 is very good move to "close one door" allowing black to begin building a base ] ;W[el]CR[el]C[Scribe [-\]: c8 also allows black to play e8 ] ;B[ch]CR[ch]C[Scribe [-\]: closes the second door, base Scribe [-\]: close first door in sente Uberdude [14k\]: importnat to do down first? ] ;W[di]CR[di] ;B[ci]CR[ci]C[giak2w [1d\]: can you show the sequence if white plays the "other door"? ] ;W[nc]CR[nc] ;B[qf]CR[qf] ;W[ne]CR[ne] ;B[ei]CR[ei]C[Scribe [-\]: white left side territory gone. trying to build in center ] (;W[dh]CR[dh] ;B[dg]CR[dg] ;W[eh]CR[eh] ;B[cg]CR[cg] ;W[eg]CR[eg] ;B[df]CR[df] ;W[cd]CR[cd]LB[ei:A]C[Scribe [-\]: (variation) black has half eye at d10 in sente . absolutely alive Inkognito [4k?\]: e15 Scribe [-\]: regarding e11. any dead stones still on board can be made useful Scribe [-\]: aji Scribe [-\]: opportunity Scribe [-\]: remove stone from board when possible, remove the aji ] (;B[mg]CR[mg]LB[hd:A]C[Scribe [-\]: very talented move Firzen [17k\]: is leaving them on board what is called ajikeshi? Scribe [-\]: reduce white center Scribe [-\]: Please see http://senseis.xmp.net for word definitions Uberdude [14k\]: firzen i think that is when you play moves which waste your good aji MrAnderson: this is on the boundary of 2 moyos gogogo07: lader wrong [?\]: reduce moyo Uberdude [14k\]: ladder breaker ligo [?\]: ladder break freeks [12k\]: ladder Scribe [-\]: Question: what is the meaning of Black n13 move Horc [4k\]: reduce middle create moyo davidwatt [9k\]: limit centre territory dub3: it's an invasion of white moyo, a ladder breaker and potentially increases black moyo JamesJoker [7k\]: moyo move wingnut [-\]: reduce W moyo expand B's? Horc [4k\]: 3 meanings very strong JamesJoker [7k\]: on the middle of two mojos blacklabel [12k\]: triple purpose move braincrash [?\]: reduce and threat b moyo MrAnderson: reduce white moyo while enlarging black one Kerrick [12k?\]: keep center open ] (;W[hd]CR[hd] ;B[ee]CR[ee] ;W[ed]CR[ed] ;B[og]TR[gc][hc][hd][ge][mg][og][eh][ej][ek][el][fp][gp]C[Talaer [10k?\]: wow Horc [4k\]: great Scribe [-\]: no choice to capture at h16 Scribe [-\]: must Scribe [-\]: either lose left top side stones or top area gogogo07: :-) Scribe [-\]: http://audiogolessons.com wingnut [-\]: hehe DrGoPlayer [-\]: what java version is needed? imbad [13k\]: paypal? freeks [12k\]: yes paypal Scribe [-\]: one euro per lesson/game for one month of repeated viewing Talaer [10k?\]: seems a hard game for W now Scribe [-\]: black n13, p13, and q14 limit white development. make many white stones ineffective ] (;W[pl]CR[pl]C[DangoMouse [-\]: should white have captured the ladder earlier or was it too slow? ] ;B[oc]CR[oc] ;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Scribe [-\]: after black n13, p13, and 414 ] (;B[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [-\]: white must destory white Scribe [-\]: white must destroy black area on right side Horc [4k\]: w behnd Scribe [-\]: dont play directly to destroy Scribe [-\]: find a weak group, attack it, and walk with it into the moyo area davidwatt [9k\]: yes very:) blacklabel [12k\]: yes Talaer [10k?\]: very good Falkor [18k\]: yes Scribe [-\]: best way to destroy moyo area gogogo07: yeep SILD [7k\]: yes Remoth0 [21k?\]: yes Bodo212 [16k\]: yes -thx wingnut [-\]: yes clear agui [6k?\]: yes ] (;W[qn]CR[qn]C[Scribe [-\]: force other to run into his own moyo area Scribe [-\]: to keep a moyo...no weak groups allowed, strive to live locally, not run or escape to center Scribe [-\]: black is stronger and whte moyo becomes smaller after r5 ] ;B[lf]CR[lf] ;W[kd]CR[kd]C[MrAnderson: why not R5 instead of R6 ? suducodu [?\]: Yes we hear ] (;B[ro]CR[ro]C[Scribe [-\]: s5 typical Luo Xihe Scribe [-\]: keep white group weak Scribe [-\]: try to chase it into the white moyo Inkognito [4k?\]: audio?????? SILD [7k\]: @.q Horc [4k\]: ya Falkor [18k\]: yes Remoth0 [21k?\]: yes wrong [?\]: please, can you repeat comment about M3 move xix [?\]: twice SILD [7k\]: yes Firzen [17k\]: yes fringd [9k\]: yes rakdver [8k\]: yes Bodo212 [16k\]: yes losted [10k?\]: back to normal now agui [6k?\]: yes tibra [13k?\]: yes cdub [?\]: yes Scribe [-\]: please repeat comment regarding m3 Scribe [-\]: we did not hear GoIsMyLife [3k\]: m3 better? Scribe [-\]: s5 is sente for both black and white, extremely big ] (;W[nk]CR[nk]C[Scribe [-\]: all say good for black at this point ] ;B[nn]CR[nn]C[Falkor [18k\]: when is it best to escape with the knight's move? ] ;W[mq]CR[mq] ;B[ol]CR[ol]C[Scribe [-\]: white must prevent balck m3 now Scribe [-\]: only move ] (;W[om]CR[om] ;B[nl]CR[nl] ;W[nm]CR[nm] (;B[mm]CR[mm] ;W[ok]CR[ok] ;B[ml]CR[ml] ;W[pk]CR[pk] (;B[pm]CR[pm]C[Scribe [-\]: Aims at the moyo, yes ! black very strong facing the moyo ] ;W[qm]CR[qm] ;B[on]CR[on] ;W[qj]CR[qj]C[Scribe [-\]: at what point uberdude ? (move number ?) ] ;B[qi]CR[qi] ;W[pi]CR[pi] ;B[rj]CR[rj]C[Uberdude [14k\]: when black played r12 ] ;W[oj]CR[oj] (;B[qh]CR[qh]C[Uberdude [14k\]: why didn't black r9 instead of r12? wrong [?\]: ko Scribe [-\]: very dangerous for black Falkor [18k\]: I have a bad feeling about this... ] ;W[rk]CR[rk]C[Uberdude [14k\]: why didn't black r9? Quinn [11k?\]: taking aji out wrong [?\]: now strong to attack moyo Scribe [-\]: black took two stones. Why ? only three points MrAnderson: he is alive in center fringd [9k\]: aims at th moyo imbad [13k\]: close in white totylkoja [?\]: he can attack moyo now ligo [?\]: reduce moyo Horc [4k\]: sente Scribe [-\]: when leading, simplfy the game, nothing complicated ] ;B[kp]CR[kp] ;W[kq]CR[kq] ;B[lp]CR[lp] ;W[lq]CR[lq]C[wrong [?\]: B gets sente ] ;B[ob]CR[ob]C[Uberdude [14k\]: ok, i tohught it would keep white weak Scribe [-\]: black take points, biggest move wingnut [-\]: Ko is a needless risk for B MysticoN [10k\]: P19 Scribe [-\]: all say game is good for black now fauli [10k\]: is this counted or feeling? ( the biggest move) GoIsMyLife [3k\]: k8? Freshmeat [13k\]: play at tengen wrong [?\]: yes Horc [4k\]: nope GoIsMyLife [3k\]: k8? Firzen [17k\]: K13 Scribe [-\]: Cho Hun Hyun says white needs 20 point with moyo to have a chance Firzen [17k\]: ? wrong [?\]: I heard it was Yu Changhyuk ] ;W[ac]CR[ac]C[fab [1d\]: Yoo ChangHyuk ] (;B[bb]CR[bb]C[Scribe [-\]: perhaps Chinese pronounciation of Hanzi that are said differently in Korea ] ;W[bm]CR[bm] ;B[bl]CR[bl]C[Scribe [-\]: Guo Juan pro's name in Hanzi please Scribe [-\]: Yoo ChangHyuk in Hanzi ] ;W[dl]CR[dl]C[fab [1d\]: http://gobase.org/information/players/?pp=Yoo%20ChangHyuk wingnut [-\]: 刘昌赫? MysticoN [10k\]: oh MysticoN [10k\]: nice ] ;B[bf]CR[bf] ;W[km]CR[km]C[MrAnderson: it feel too close to thickness GoIsMyLife [3k\]: j5? b Scribe [-\]: L7 two reasons for this move Scribe [-\]: appears to be overplay but Scribe [-\]: 1. white must get maximum points in center ] (;B[ln]CR[ln]C[Scribe [-\]: 2. aims to attack black weakness Scribe [-\]: m6 seems like a slow move but necessary Scribe [-\]: why ? see variation ] ;W[jn]CR[jn] ;B[ip]CR[ip] ;W[ho]CR[ho] ;B[jj]CR[jj]TR[km][jn][ho]C[janibi [8k\]: wow Scribe [-\]: white can exploit many weaknesses if black does not defend at m6 Scribe [-\]: white closed right center by attacking black thickness ! Scribe [-\]: Lee Changho very very strong...best ] (;W[ij]CR[ij] ;B[ii]CR[ii] ;W[ji]CR[ji]C[partisan [18k\]: boring :) Scribe [-\]: normal but boring to play j9 Scribe [-\]: very strong crosscut ] (;B[ld]CR[ld] ;W[lc]CR[lc] (;B[kc]CR[kc] ;W[pe]CR[pe] ;B[qe]CR[qe] ;W[od]CR[od] ;B[pc]CR[pc] ;W[le]CR[le] ;B[ke]CR[ke] ;W[md]CR[md] ;B[jd]CR[jd] ;W[ld]CR[ld]C[Horc [4k\]: yes freeks [12k\]: yes cdub [?\]: yes ] ;B[fi]CR[fi]LB[fg:A] ;W[gh]CR[gh]C[Scribe [-\]: moves on top to help center ] ;B[jh]CR[jh] ;W[ki]CR[ki]C[Scribe [-\]: lunch break move ] (;B[hi]CR[hi] ;W[ik]CR[ik] ;B[gi]CR[gi] ;W[ff]CR[ff] ;B[ig]CR[ig] ;W[kf]CR[kf] ;B[kh]CR[kh] ;W[je]CR[je] ;B[li]CR[li] ;W[kj]CR[kj] ;B[lj]CR[lj] ;W[kk]CR[kk]C[dub3: why not ask the players afterwards? ] ;B[gk]CR[gk] ;W[gl]LB[gl:B][km:A]C[Scribe [-\]: moves from L7 (108?) to 146 are very good for white wrong [?\]: W succeeded in making 20 points? Scribe [-\]: points on top and kept territory in center ] ;B[ri]CR[ri]LB[oi:A]C[Scribe [-\]: black did not gain any points between these moves Scribe [-\]: sente lest white dies ] ;W[oh]CR[oh] ;B[nr]LB[ri:A][nr:B]C[Scribe [-\]: both s11 and o2 are big moves Scribe [-\]: all think black leading a little bit Scribe [-\]: perhaps 1 or 2 points MysticoN [10k\]: cant b be cutted at Q13 ? ] ;W[pg]CR[pg]LB[mk:A] ;B[lk]CR[lk] ;W[ll]CR[ll] ;B[mk]CR[mk]LB[ma:C][na:B][oa:D][mb:E][pf:A]C[Scribe [-\]: 1. Lee does not think he is leading herogo: can we ask question? Scribe [-\]: 2. if white connect at q14, black gets 22 points in upper right ] ;W[qd]CR[qd]LB[km:A][ln:B]C[MysticoN [10k\]: oh Scribe [-\]: surprising move ! Scribe [-\]: two reasons Scribe [-\]: when studying pro games strive to find reason for any seemingly strange move Scribe [-\]: situation a little good fro white Horc [4k\]: style Horc [4k\]: oh ] (;B[pf]CR[pf] ;W[of]CR[of]C[Scribe [-\]: considered game losing move at r16 ] ;B[oe]CR[oe] ;W[cj]CR[cj] ;B[ck]CR[ck] ;W[pe]CR[pe]C[Scribe [-\]: Luo Xihe creates ko ] ;B[qc]CR[qc] ;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: but black will win the ko ! murky: sound lagging MysticoN [10k\]: wasnt Luo Xihe called ... King of ko`s ? MysticoN [10k\]: :P herogo: if white doesn't start the ko, is he still leading? Nikolas73 [29k?\]: audio's breaking up on my computer WoolyMaCha [13k\]: who is W ? fringd [9k\]: i hear you now ] ;B[oe]CR[oe]C[xDarigaaz [9k\]: damn lags Horc [4k\]: let's see the ko herogo: do you think white is not necessary to go WoolyMaCha [13k\]: thx tildebis [17k\]: yes Horc [4k\]: yup ] ;W[bj]CR[bj]C[gogogo07: pay the phonebill ;-) ] ;B[bi]CR[bi]C[Hannes [12k\]: yes ] ;W[pe]CR[pe] ;B[qg]CR[qg] ;W[rc]CR[rc] ;B[rb]CR[rb]C[wingnut [-\]: S19 tesuji ] (;W[qb]CR[qb]C[Scribe [-\]: locally s19 tesuji ] ;B[qa]CR[qa] ;W[ra]CR[ra] ;B[sa]CR[sa] ;W[sb]CR[sb] ;B[sc]CR[sc] ;W[sd]CR[sd] ;B[pb]CR[pb] ;W[sb]CR[sb] (;B[oe]CR[oe] ;W[ra]CR[ra] ;B[nf]LB[nf:A]C[Horc [4k\]: not possible for b ? Horc [4k\]: he won the race ] ;W[qb]CR[qb]C[Scribe [-\]: corner now white ! fringd [9k\]: :/ kgs is really laggy today Scribe [-\]: after black plays o14 he gains ko threats against white group on right side ] ;B[ni]CR[ni]C[tildebis [17k\]: that's ok now herogo: yes fringd [9k\]: yes Scribe [-\]: yes Talaer [10k?\]: yes kuivis [26k\]: yes davidwatt [9k\]: yes cdub [?\]: hi tildebis [17k\]: yes suducodu [?\]: Sound keeps going away >.< Bodo212 [16k\]: yes murky: sound back MysticoN [10k\]: ye dub3: yes agui [6k?\]: yes fringd [9k\]: we do hear you ] ;W[oi]CR[oi]C[bigfish [6k?\]: yes ] ;B[rb]CR[rb]C[xDarigaaz [9k\]: terrible lags ] ;W[af]CR[af]C[partisan [18k\]: you make a nive job :) ] ;B[be]CR[be] ;W[qb]CR[qb]C[partisan [18k\]: nice .) ] ;B[io]CR[io] ;W[in]CR[in] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[ab]CR[ab] ;B[gb]CR[gb] ;W[hb]CR[hb] ;B[ae]CR[ae] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[hn]CR[hn]C[Scribe [-\]: h6 winning move herogo: why? Scribe [-\]: creates many ko threats for black ] ;W[hp]CR[hp]C[MysticoN [10k\]: wow ] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[ad]CR[ad] ;B[ba]CR[ba] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[hl]CR[hl] ;W[hk]CR[hk] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[cm]CR[cm] ;B[aj]CR[aj] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[jl]CR[jl] ;W[kl]CR[kl] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[al]CR[al] ;B[bk]CR[bk] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[hj]CR[hj] ;W[il]CR[il] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[hh]CR[hh] ;B[ih]CR[ih] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[fl]CR[fl] ;W[hm]CR[hm] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[ga]CR[ga] ;B[fa]CR[fa] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[rl]CR[rl]C[Scribe [-\]: black does not lose any points in these ko threats ] ;W[sk]CR[sk] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[da]CR[da]C[Horc [4k\]: no davidwatt [9k\]: no Horc [4k\]: ok ] ;B[ca]CR[ca] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[sl]CR[sl] ;W[rn]CR[rn] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[pp]CR[pp] ;B[qq]CR[qq] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[so]CR[so] ;W[qo]CR[qo] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[bg]CR[bg] ;B[ce]CR[ce] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[rp]CR[rp] ;W[ql]CR[ql] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[de]CR[de] ;B[ag]CR[ag] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[sj]CR[sj] ;W[qk]CR[qk] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[pq]CR[pq] ;B[pr]CR[pr] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[sn]CR[sn] ;W[sm]CR[sm] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[or]CR[or] ;B[os]CR[os] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[rm]CR[rm]LB[nf:A]C[murky: White? Scribe [-\]: now black starts losing points in ko threats ] ;W[sm]CR[sm] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[lg]CR[lg] ;B[lh]CR[lh] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[rm]CR[rm] ;W[rl]CR[rl] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[qr]CR[qr] ;B[po]CR[po] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[jq]CR[jq] ;W[jr]CR[jr] ;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[op]CR[op] ;B[np]CR[np] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[na]CR[na] ;W[pa]CR[pa]C[Scribe [-\]: white losing points in ko threats ] ;B[la]CR[la]C[gogogo07: lol Horc [4k\]: hard Scribe [-\]: white lost enough points that black no longer has to win the ko to win game Ciovo [9k\]: incredible! murky: white? Scribe [-\]: white lost too much to win ko ligo [?\]: isnt g7 a big ko threat too for b partisan [18k\]: isnt right he won the ko but lost the game herogo: so lee chanho shouldn't go R16? xDarigaaz [9k\]: how can he read so fast? :) Scribe [-\]: Lee Changho in byoyomi before the r16 ko started emk [5k\]: igit! =) herogo: so lee chanho shouldn't go R16? xDarigaaz [9k\]: ok :) ] ;W[kb]CR[kb] ;B[gm]CR[gm] ;W[qa]CR[qa] ;B[oa]CR[oa] ;W[gn]CR[gn] ;B[hl]CR[hl] ;W[fm]CR[fm] ;B[ie]CR[ie] ;W[if]CR[if] ;B[jf]CR[jf] ;W[jg]CR[jg] ;B[hf]CR[hf] ;W[jf]CR[jf] ;B[kg]CR[kg] ;W[ke]CR[ke] ;B[ef]CR[ef] ;W[fg]CR[fg] ;B[he]CR[he] ;W[id]CR[id] ;B[hg]CR[hg]LB[gh:A][hh:B] ;W[fk]CR[fk] ;B[ha]CR[ha] ;W[mb]CR[mb] ;B[ma]CR[ma] ;W[lb]CR[lb] ;B[nd]CR[nd] ;W[fs]CR[fs] ;B[cr]CR[cr] ;W[od]CR[od] ;B[fe]CR[fe] ;W[gf]CR[gf] ;B[nd]CR[nd] ;W[jo]CR[jo] ;B[jp]CR[jp] ;W[od]CR[od] ;B[ib]CR[ib] ;W[ka]CR[ka] ;B[nd]CR[nd] ;W[pn]CR[pn] ;B[oo]CR[oo] ;W[od]CR[od] ;B[ia]CR[ia] ;W[jc]CR[jc] ;B[nd]CR[nd] ;W[me]CR[me]C[herogo: so lee chan ho shouldn't go R16 at the beginning? ] ;B[mr]CR[mr]C[Scribe [-\]: white on top lost nearly all points ] ;W[od]CR[od] ;B[pe]CR[pe] ;W[lr]CR[lr] ;B[re]CR[re]C[wingnut [-\]: great game Talaer [10k?\]: thanks so much Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Guo Juan Laoshi tildebis [17k\]: thx Horc [4k\]: with how many points did he win ? Scribe [-\]: Remarkable game darrell [10k\]: Thank you partisan [18k\]: i did :) davidwatt [9k\]: thanks very much it was a very intresting game Pilsun [21k\]: thank you very much. MrAnderson: thx :) cdub [?\]: thank you very much petro [-\]: very interesting Firzen [17k\]: 5.5 Horc [4k\]: ok quijote [25k?\]: gracias tibra [13k?\]: thank a lot fringd [9k\]: thank you so much, great game wrong [?\]: xiexie ni xDarigaaz [9k\]: Thank you very much Remoth0 [21k?\]: Thank you kuivis [26k\]: thank you very very much Firzen [17k\]: thanks a lot freeks [12k\]: thank you guo juan-sensei :D tildebis [17k\]: nice au2 [4k\]: THANKS FOR REVIEW OF GREAT GAME suducodu [?\]: thanks alot guo! Scribe [-\]: http://audiogolessons.com/ hihf [11k\]: thank you totylkoja [?\]: Thank you very much guojuan [5p\]: 1 euro Horc [4k\]: other variations than paypal ? SoulShard [?\]: Thank you very much. bigfish [6k?\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION au2 [4k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION tildebis [17k\]: ok Cornelius [5k?\]: thx wrong [?\]: see Luo Xihe here: http://www.china.org.cn/english/sports/140138.htm agui [6k?\]: Thank you very much tildebis [17k\]: ok huxley [16k\]: same audioqualitity like here? wrong [?\]: at the bottom of the page Uberdude [14k\]: thanks murky: Thank you gogogo07: THANK YOU ;-) suducodu [?\]: Thank you ing foundation~~~ juve [16k?\]: Thank you very much, monchacha [11k\]: thanks guojuan and ing's goe foundation Horc [4k\]: thx tildebis [17k\]: thx a lot Ciovo [9k\]: thanks DangoMouse [-\]: thankyou au2 [4k\]: BYE BYE gogogo07: nice game ;-) Janez [2k\]: thx Horc [4k\]: ok JamesJoker [7k\]: thanks Bomberman [17k\]: thank you wingnut [-\]: thank you Guo Juan and Mr Ing, bye TheDoctor [16k?\]: thank you fringd [9k\]: :) Horc [4k\]: bye wicket [?\]: thanks davidwatt [9k\]: thank you Joemac [-\]: thank you snowmen [2d\]: thanks xDarigaaz [9k\]: bye bye dub3: bye Bodo212 [16k\]: thanks for all r4nj1t0 [17k\]: thanks, bye dub3: thx kuivis [26k\]: bye Nikolas73 [29k?\]: when's next time? suducodu [?\]: buh bye~~~ tildebis [17k\]: bye herogo: by tibra [13k?\]: thank you, bye SILD [7k\]: bye agui [6k?\]: bye jramon [15k\]: thx Firzen [17k\]: cya hihf [11k\]: bye eggwhisk: thank you bye bye Nikolas73 [29k?\]: syl Dinitak [-\]: thanks bye ] ;W[nh]CR[nh] ;B[fh]CR[fh] ;W[se]CR[se] ;B[sf]CR[sf] ;W[ph]CR[ph] ;B[ng]CR[ng] ;W[gd]CR[gd] ;B[gg]CR[gg] ;W[mp]CR[mp] ;B[mo]CR[mo] ;W[ms]CR[ms] ;B[es]CR[es] ;W[gs]CR[gs] ;B[ao]CR[ao] ;W[an]CR[an] ;B[ap]CR[ap] ;W[om]CR[om] ;B[nj]CR[nj] ;W[mi]CR[mi] ;B[mj]CR[mj] ;W[mh]CR[mh] ;B[mf]CR[mf] ;W[gl]CR[gl] ;B[gj]CR[gj] ;W[nd]CR[nd] ;B[dc]CR[dc] ;W[ic]CR[ic]) (;B[ra]CR[ra] ;W[oa]CR[oa] ;B[re]CR[re] ;W[na]CR[na] ;B[se]CR[se] ;W[pa]CR[pa] ;B[sc]CR[sc])) (;W[oa]CR[oa])) (;B[rd]CR[rd] ;W[oa]CR[oa] ;B[qb]CR[qb]LB[ma:B][pa:A][qa:D][mb:C]C[freeks [12k\]: 18? wrong [?\]: so W got 3 points in sente Scribe [-\]: now black (assuming black q19) has 21 points in upper right and white has two more points Scribe [-\]: fighting for every point ]) (;B[qc]CR[qc]C[herogo: how to speak? ] ;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Uberdude [14k\]: u cant Uberdude [14k\]: type ] (;B[rc]CR[rc]C[herogo: I see Scribe [-\]: write your question please herogo ] ;W[qg]CR[qg] ;B[rg]CR[rg] ;W[pf]CR[pf] ;B[re]CR[re]C[Horc [4k\]: 21 Scribe [-\]: now black has 21 points Scribe [-\]: one point less Scribe [-\]: and white is larger as well Horc [4k\]: great ]) (;B[re]CR[re] ;W[rc]CR[rc] ;B[rb]CR[rb]C[MysticoN [10k\]: beautiful move ] ;W[oa]CR[oa]))) (;B[fh]CR[fh] ;W[fg]CR[fg] ;B[gi]CR[gi]C[herogo: can we help voice? herogo: how? ] (;W[hh]CR[hh]C[freeks [12k\]: nice :)) ] ;B[gg]CR[gg] (;W[gf]CR[gf] ;B[ih]CR[ih] ;W[hi]CR[hi] ;B[hg]CR[hg] ;W[hj]CR[hj] ;B[ff]CR[ff]) (;W[hg]CR[hg] ;B[hi]CR[hi] ;W[ih]CR[ih] ;B[gf]CR[gf] ;W[ff]CR[ff] ;B[hf]CR[hf] ;W[ig]CR[ig] ;B[fe]CR[fe]C[Scribe [-\]: professional evaluation during lunch break ])) (;W[ih]CR[ih] ;B[gg]CR[gg] ;W[ff]CR[ff] ;B[ig]CR[ig] ;W[hi]CR[hi] ;B[hh]CR[hh] ;W[jg]CR[jg]C[Scribe [-\]: refutation to previous line of play. ko is very big risk for black ]))) (;B[md]CR[md] ;W[nd]CR[nd] ;B[ke]CR[ke] ;W[jd]CR[jd] ;B[jh]CR[jh] ;W[ki]CR[ki] ;B[ih]CR[ih] ;W[hj]CR[hj])) (;B[jh]CR[jh] ;W[ki]CR[ki] ;B[ih]CR[ih] ;W[hj]CR[hj])) (;W[ik]CR[ik] ;B[ij]CR[ij] ;W[hj]CR[hj] ;B[jk]CR[jk] ;W[il]CR[il] ;B[hi]CR[hi])) (;B[jn]CR[jn] ;W[jm]CR[jm] ;B[in]CR[in] ;W[kn]CR[kn] ;B[jp]CR[jp]C[Scribe [-\]: k6 is normal continuation ] ;W[or]CR[or] (;B[nr]CR[nr]C[Inkognito [4k?\]: thank you and good bye fringd [9k\]: voice cutting out gogogo07: voice lag ] ;W[nq]CR[nq] ;B[pr]CR[pr]C[monchacha [11k\]: we miss no voice ] ;W[op]CR[op] ;B[pq]CR[pq] ;W[mo]CR[mo]C[MysticoN [10k\]: oh MysticoN [10k\]: nice ]) (;B[pr]CR[pr]C[Scribe [-\]: black now cut off ] ;W[nq]CR[nq]LB[mo:A][pq:B]C[monchacha [11k\]: now ok fringd [9k\]: yah Uberdude [14k\]: you are too popular! ] ;B[op]CR[op] ;W[mo]CR[mo]) (;B[pq]CR[pq]LB[mo:B][nq:A]C[Scribe [-\]: white n5 threat still severe Scribe [-\]: big difference in points at bottom of screen ] ;W[nq]CR[nq] ;B[mo]CR[mo] ;W[pr]CR[pr] ;B[qr]CR[qr] ;W[op]CR[op] ;B[po]CR[po] ;W[mp]CR[mp] ;B[ln]CR[ln] ;W[pp]CR[pp]))) (;B[ab]CR[ab] ;W[ae]CR[ae]LB[bb:A])) (;B[qk]CR[qk]C[Uberdude [14k\]: yes blacklabel [12k\]: yes ] ;W[qh]CR[qh]C[wrong [?\]: complicates game ] ;B[pj]CR[pj] ;W[pg]CR[pg]C[Scribe [-\]: possible but why, give white a ko ])) (;B[qj]CR[qj] (;W[mk]CR[mk] ;B[on]CR[on] ;W[pm]CR[pm] ;B[mn]CR[mn]) (;W[mn]CR[mn]C[Scribe [-\]: very big r10 move GoIsMyLife [3k\]: he can enter to center ]))) (;B[ml]CR[ml]C[yuanjnpn [8k?\]: 讲解很新颖! ] ;W[mm]CR[mm] ;B[ll]CR[ll] ;W[pk]CR[pk]C[Scribe [-\]: (variation at 80) white escaped but lost all center potential ] ;B[ok]CR[ok] ;W[qj]CR[qj])) (;W[ok]CR[ok]C[Scribe [-\]: white p7 is only move ] ;B[pk]CR[pk] ;W[om]CR[om] ;B[nl]CR[nl] ;W[nm]CR[nm] ;B[ml]CR[ml] ;W[mm]CR[mm] ;B[ll]CR[ll] ;W[pm]CR[pm] ;B[lm]CR[lm])) (;W[nl]CR[nl] ;B[mp]CR[mp])) (;B[lq]CR[lq]C[Scribe [-\]: run with it into the white moyo huxley [16k\]: lag Firzen [17k\]: sounds broken fringd [9k\]: can't hear you gogogo07: voce interrupted!! ]) (;B[] ;W[ro]CR[ro] ;B[rp]CR[rp])) (;W[nl]CR[nl] ;B[lk]CR[lk] ;W[ll]CR[ll] ;B[kk]CR[kk] ;W[kl]CR[kl] ;B[jk]CR[jk]) (;W[qo]CR[qo] ;B[po]CR[po] ;W[qn]CR[qn] ;B[rp]CR[rp] ;W[pn]CR[pn]C[Scribe [-\]: touch to get forcing moves (r5 in place of r6) ?? ] ;B[oo]TR[oo]C[Horc [4k\]: b strong MrAnderson: ok ])) (;B[hk]CR[hk]C[Scribe [-\]: r14* Horc [4k\]: ^^ ])) (;W[pk]CR[pk] ;B[qm]CR[qm])) (;W[] ;B[hd]CR[hd] (;W[ic]CR[ic] ;B[fe]CR[fe] ;W[ed]CR[ed] ;B[ee]CR[ee]) (;W[fe]CR[fe] ;B[ic]CR[ic]))) (;B[og]CR[og] ;W[mg]CR[mg])) (;W[fi]CR[fi]C[Scribe [-\]: e11 excellent timing ] ;B[dh]CR[dh] ;W[fh]CR[fh]LB[di:A])) (;B[ei]CR[ei] ;W[di]CR[di]) (;B[ek]CR[ek]C[Quinn [11k?\]: wouldnt crosscut only strenghen black? ] ;W[dk]CR[dk]C[Scribe [-\]: white seeks crosscut ])) (;B[hp]CR[hp]) (;B[ej]CR[ej] (;W[gj]CR[gj]) (;W[cj]CR[cj]C[Scribe [-\]: even if black one line higher, white will cap ]))) (;W[dj]CR[dj]C[Scribe [-\]: b16 sente Scribe [-\]: converts moyo to territory now Horc [4k\]: j3 ] (;B[gr]CR[gr]C[MrAnderson: then black can play Q10 ? Scribe [-\]: almost impossible for black to invade the left now ] (;W[hp]CR[hp]) (;W[iq]CR[iq])) (;B[iq]CR[iq] ;W[hp]CR[hp] ;B[jr]CR[jr] ;W[gr]CR[gr]C[Scribe [-\]: good for white Horc [4k\]: good Horc [4k\]: hmm ]) (;B[hp]CR[hp]C[Horc [4k\]: ok ] ;W[iq]CR[iq] ;B[ho]CR[ho] ;W[kp]CR[kp]C[Scribe [-\]: only option for black JamesJoker [7k\]: what happens when black play j3? Scribe [-\]: must work to reduce moyo ] ;B[en]CR[en]C[JamesJoker [7k\]: corners dies in ko? ]))) (;B[gp]CR[gp] ;W[gq]CR[gq] ;B[fr]CR[fr] ;W[go]CR[go] ;B[cp]CR[cp] ;W[co]CR[co] ;B[dq]CR[dq] ;W[ep]CR[ep] ;B[bp]CR[bp]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki ] ;W[hp]CR[hp]C[murky: sound is breaking up Horc [4k\]: good again murky: good now Scribe [-\]: Yes, a little net lag ]) (;B[cp]CR[cp] ;W[co]CR[co] ;B[dq]CR[dq] ;W[ep]CR[ep] ;B[bp]CR[bp] ;W[fr]CR[fr]C[Horc [4k\]: ok ] (;B[gq]CR[gq] ;W[gr]CR[gr]C[Scribe [-\]: weak carpenter's square with extension...black is not completely alive ] ;B[pj]CR[pj]LB[hd:A][gp:B]C[freeks [12k\]: wow :) blacklabel [12k\]: nice kuivis [26k\]: nice wingnut [-\]: hehe davidwatt [9k\]: :) freeks [12k\]: nice Scribe [-\]: ladder breaker for both g16 and g3 stones freeks [12k\]: really ] ;W[mj]CR[mj]C[totylkoja [?\]: ;)))) Horc [4k\]: moyo freeks [12k\]: hahah :D ligo [?\]: wow ]) (;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: whtie is much stronger this way ] (;W[br]CR[br]) (;W[gq]CR[gq]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki ] ;B[] ;W[br]CR[br])))) (;W[cq]CR[cq] ;B[fo]CR[fo])) (;W[fd]CR[fd] ;B[ec]CR[ec] ;W[gd]CR[gd]C[Scribe [-\]: another joseki ] ;B[de]CR[de] ;W[df]CR[df] ;B[ee]CR[ee] ;W[ef]CR[ef]C[Scribe [-\]: follow up ] ;B[fe]CR[fe] ;W[gf]CR[gf] ;B[ce]CR[ce] ;W[ff]CR[ff])) (;W[qf]CR[qf] ;B[pi]CR[pi] ;W[nc]CR[nc] ;B[pf]CR[pf] ;W[pg]CR[pg] ;B[of]CR[of] ;W[qd]CR[qd] ;B[qe]CR[qe]C[Horc [4k\]: to a chinese ] ;W[re]CR[re] ;B[pe]CR[pe] ;W[rg]CR[rg] ;B[qc]CR[qc] ;W[rd]CR[rd] ;B[og]CR[og])) (;B[ga]CR[ga]C[Kerrick [12k?\]: lee chan ho Bomberman [17k\]: yup MysticoN [10k\]: yes ]))