(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2006-01-08]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Ciovo [9k\]: hi
freeks [13k\]: hi guo juan-sensei :)
AprilSnow [?\]: hello guo juan :)
Uvas [-\]: hihi
xDarigaaz [9k\]: hi
agui [7k?\]: Hello
Uvas [-\]: yes
Horc [4k\]: hello
agui [7k?\]: yes
xDarigaaz [9k\]: yes
partisan [19k\]: yes :)
murky: Hi Guo Juan LaoShi
AprilSnow [?\]: yess
freeks [13k\]: yes 
Ciovo [9k\]: yes of course
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Guo Juan Laoshi
suducodu [?\]: hello guojuan!!!!!!!!!!!!!
partisan [19k\]: too!
coronalis [18k\]: hi
suducodu [?\]: :D
Horc [4k\]: same too you
murky: Happy new year too
suducodu [?\]: You too
freeks [13k\]: :) happy new year to you too
DrGoPlayer [-\]: ne hao
coronalis [18k\]: happy new year !
agui [7k?\]: Happy new year  !!!
Scribe [-\]: early for Happy New year
Omatic [7k?\]: thx, same to you
Horc [4k\]: all the best to reach pro ;)
playm8 [4k?\]: happy new year! :)
Hu [12k?\]: Hippy New Ear!
smudge [?\]: soon it will be Chinese Happy New Year?
Inkognito [4k?\]: You too
playgo [6k\]: merry chrismas
xDarigaaz [9k\]: yes very nice
freeks [13k\]: lol
suducodu [?\]: Just alittle late ;)
Scribe [-\]: P10 and Q9 are reducing moves, not invasions
]
;AB[qj][pp][nq]LB[pk:F][qm:E][qn:D][ro:A][qp:B][rp:C]TR[qj][nq]C[Scribe [-\]: Return to Basic Shapes
murky: Some christmas season start in East Europe
Ordiac [8k\]: usually s5 ?
petro [?\]: R4
xDarigaaz [9k\]: r4
agui [7k?\]: R4
Quinn [11k?\]: s4
Omatic [7k?\]: R6 
freeks [13k\]: san-san
Horc [4k\]: R4 s4
suducodu [?\]: r7 maybe?
freeks [13k\]: ?
Scribe [-\]: Where would White invade this Black shape ?
SitaRam [5k\]: r6
zazizuzou [6k\]: R4 or Q9  depending of the situation
freeks [13k\]: 3-3
olczyk [15k\]: O5
Zark [5k\]: P10
xDarigaaz [9k\]: r3 for ko
Scribe [-\]: P10 and Q9 are reducing moves, not invasions
]
(;B[dd]CR[dd])
(;AB[jc][dd][cj]C[JamesJoker [8k\]: 3-3
imbad [13k\]: double low bad
agui [7k?\]: yes
partisan [19k\]: yes
imbad [13k\]: yes
SitaRam [5k\]: yes
agui [7k?\]: yes
]
;B[]C[smudge [?\]: Inefficient
]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[be]CR[be]C[Scribe [-\]: Bad result for Black
]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[fc]CR[fc]TR[jc][cj]C[Scribe [-\]: the double low wings are misplaced
partisan [19k\]: ok
Scribe [-\]: both are too low
])
(;AB[gc][dd][cj])
(;B[]LB[qp:B][rp:A]C[Scribe [-\]: o3 or n3 with a single low wing is possible
Scribe [-\]: pro moves are s4 and r4
Scribe [-\]: immediately after invasion, white has one stone vs three, white very weak....strive to settle fast
Scribe [-\]: when white has stone at m3, the s4 invasion becomes more interesting
Inkognito [4k?\]: q8
Ordiac [8k\]: lol
wrong [?\]: yes
wrong [?\]: how the chosen joseki depends on the color of stones around Q16 and D4?
SitaRam [5k\]: yes
playm8 [4k?\]: yes
SitaRam [5k\]: crystel
freeks [13k\]: yes
partisan [19k\]: which was ther new joseki?
ljl [14k\]: yes
Ordiac [8k\]: Thx
partisan [19k\]: sorry
DrGoPlayer [-\]: han hao
Horc [4k\]: what kind of cake are the 2 stones ? ;)
xix [?\]: what about r7 if white is also around r13
Quinn [11k?\]: "us" ^^
Horc [4k\]: basics
Horc [4k\]: true
DrGoPlayer [-\]: maybe R8 is w stone at R13 or R12
wrong [?\]: i achieved 1k on IGS without learning joseki, but I am now stuck at that level :(
wrong [?\]: now, have to study really hard
wrong [?\]: 1k seems to be the 'magic' barrier for most
freeks [13k\]: yeah
tigrenok [14k\]: is the lecture continuing or over?
Horc [4k\]: yay
partisan [19k\]: yes!
grwip [16k\]: yes
Slowmotion [2k\]: great
Omatic [7k?\]: yes
murky: YES
agui [7k?\]: ok
Uvas [-\]: sure
freeks [13k\]: please :))
happy53 [12k\]: yes
ljl [14k\]: yes
playm8 [4k?\]: cool!
xix [?\]:  what about r7 if white is also around r13
Hu [12k?\]: >^.^<
cam [18k\]: yes
Hu [12k?\]: 25 more minutes.
Horc [4k\]: who's this famous player ?
suducodu [?\]: Bring it on :o
olczyk [15k\]: Not half past six my time?
murky: 6:30 am?
]
(;W[qp]CR[qp]C[swall [7k\]: b is a probe
Scribe [-\]: s4 destroys the outside
zazizuzou [6k\]: :)
Scribe [-\]: dont think white can attack black here
Horc [4k\]: hm i see
wrong [?\]: in short, 'be generous' :)
Ordiac [8k\]: yeah thx i won some games on that advice
]
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[Scribe [-\]: r4 lives quickly
]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[op]CR[op]C[Ordiac [8k\]: live in gote ?
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[Scribe [-\]: black keeps corner, white settles fast
])
(;B[qo]CR[qo]C[wrong [?\]: koreans already did I think
]
(;W[pq]CR[pq]C[Horc [4k\]: r3
Scribe [-\]: outside hane results in white living in corner, black influence outside
playm8 [4k?\]: :)
]
(;B[op]CR[op]C[yfh2 [8k?\]: what if S5 at S4 ?
playm8 [4k?\]: scribe, something for you?
]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[qr]CR[qr]C[Ordiac [8k\]: good for b ?
])
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[Quinn [11k?\]: never let a stone die alone :)
Scribe [-\]: dont let black kill one stone.  make him kill two
]
(;W[rp]CR[rp]C[wingnut [-\]: takes B longer to remove two stones
suducodu [?\]: Oh...I see
Horc [4k\]: all about aji
]
;B[dd]CR[dd]C[Hu [12k?\]: No comments like that, please, olczyk.
Scribe [-\]: nothing left for white to do after black takes only one stone
murky: aji = indigestion
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[hd]CR[hd]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki in to left....special
Scribe [-\]: special case
]
;B[]
(;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[fb]CR[fb]C[Scribe [-\]: for when black must live in corner
Scribe [-\]: no aji left now
])
(;W[fb]CR[fb]
(;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[Horc [4k\]: nice description :D
]
;W[hc]CR[hc]C[Scribe [-\]: much better to extend white stone, than to die one stone alone
wysek [9k?\]: we can eat food longer
Ordiac [8k\]: at least a 'damezuari'
softblues [-\]: I'm getting hungry.
wingnut [-\]: W get some usefull outside moves
playm8 [4k?\]: lol, so these stones are tasty :)
Quinn [11k?\]: i like those metaphors of yours
Scribe [-\]: white outside much better now
])
(;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[gb]CR[gb])))
(;W[op]CR[op]C[olczyk [15k\]: Leave it to the Japanese to steal from the Chinese.
]
;B[rp]CR[rp])))
(;W[ro]CR[ro]C[Scribe [-\]: must quit my day job
]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[on]CR[on]
;W[nn]CR[nn]C[Scribe [-\]: old joseki, not good anymore....good for black
])))
(;W[rp]CR[rp]C[suducodu [?\]: Why lose two?
Scribe [-\]: prevent ponnuki
Ordiac [8k\]: yep
Quinn [11k?\]: aji
playm8 [4k?\]: eye-shape
Horc [4k\]: ponnuki is 30 points...when 2 stones dead then only 4 points :P
suducodu [?\]: So there's nothing more black can do?
]
(;B[qq]CR[qq]
(;W[qm]CR[qm])
(;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[po]CR[po]C[Scribe [-\]: 味
]))
(;B[qp]CR[qp]C[ted [20k\]: aji
Scribe [-\]: only a little
PlayGo05 [9k\]: is that the same as "feed"?
Sekimoto [8k\]: i see a square :(
suducodu [?\]: But writing Chinese is so hard :(
]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[NoraInu [?\]: 口(mouth)->味("aji")
]
;B[]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[]
;W[rr]CR[rr]C[Scribe [-\]: if there is a white stone at m3, black must be careful of white s2 move
playm8 [4k?\]: here again die with 2, not 1 stone :)
]
(;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[sq]CR[sq]
;B[qq]CR[qq])
(;B[sq]CR[sq]C[wrong [?\]: so, u can say to your opponent "you have big mouth, u know" :))))
petro [?\]: P3
Sekimoto [8k\]: R2 ?
SitaRam [5k\]: q2
JamesJoker [8k\]: q2
Ordiac [8k\]: o2
truesaint [10k\]: Q2.
Horc [4k\]: q2
agui [7k?\]: r3
]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[rs]CR[rs]
;W[sr]CR[sr]C[Horc [4k\]: great
Scribe [-\]: balck is left with only one eye in the corner
])))
(;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[pn]CR[pn])
(;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Scribe [-\]: r7 against principles
Scribe [-\]: white is weak'
Scribe [-\]: when weak dont try to attack
Ordiac [8k\]: this is basic geo move ?
petro [?\]: from french marcher
]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[Hu [12k?\]: Mao
Scribe [-\]: March like the month
partisan [19k\]: we no about mao yes
wrong [?\]: since big dragons never die
]
;W[om]CR[om]C[imbad [13k\]: w has to run
Hu [12k?\]: Yes.
Uvas [-\]: march
Scribe [-\]:  white r7 is reasonable only when black r10 does exist
Hu [12k?\]: Long March.
petro [?\]: long march
wingnut [-\]: long march
SitaRam [5k\]: mao
wrong [?\]: make big dragon
playm8 [4k?\]: not with the mouth i hope
])
(;W[ro]CR[ro]C[wrong [?\]: w makes himself squeesed
Scribe [-\]: white r6 is wrong for the same reason
Quinn [11k?\]: i saw it in a japanese title game recently
]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
(;W[rn]CR[rn])
(;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Scribe [-\]: s5 is old move, not played anymore
]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[on]CR[on]))
(;W[pk]CR[pk]C[imbad [13k\]: shoulder hit
Scribe [-\]: possible move, reduction, not invasion
]
(;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[ok]CR[ok]
;B[oj]CR[oj]C[Scribe [-\]: q10 protects upper right side
]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[rl]CR[rl])
(;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[mm]CR[mm])))
(;AE[qj]C[Quinn [11k?\]: nothing to sabaki with :)
]
;B[]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[qj]CR[qj]))
